How Dangerous is Postmodern Cultural Relativism?

[Extreme Z7]

@UDT Dude. . . . do you not like, understand how satire works?

Yeah, I didn't mean to quote you directly it was rhetorical I. . . god, I don't feel like explaining this.
Now I know you definitely didn't understand 1984.

And besides, there's a fundamental problem with basing your knowledge on a subject on only one book.
You're always going to end up with too limited a perspective on anything.

4 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

He said misinformation. What's wrong with you?

Read his full quote again. He implies that it would be just as bad as hate speech.

Edited July 11, 2021 by Extreme Z7

[Extreme Z7]

8 hours ago, UDT said:

@Anastas Sia  Of course. But what I see happening is people who share medical, scientific or other information are getting banned from platforms under the veil of it being "hate speech and misinformation". 

(said it already, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine getting banned off linkedIn for sharing pubmed study).

Watch out. You're devolving into conspiracy theorizing.

8 hours ago, UDT said:

What I´m saying is, if everything can become mis-information or hate speech, because we do not clearly define, what it is or what it is not - we leave the door open for agencies to censor what they dont want out there, just using "oh it was hate speech and fake news" as the argument - and no one can really see if it was true or not.

Social media companies always make their TOS policy publicly available for everybody to read.
They're usually worded very clearly but with few ambiguities.

Same is true for real life crime. That's why we have a legal system to deal with said ambiguities.

The solution is not to stop banning people just like we shouldn't stop arresting people.
Leo has made a proposition in his Conscious Politics video about sort of an online court system.
But even then, it would probably only deal with the most major or controversial cases.

[thisintegrated]

On 11/07/2021 at 3:07 AM, Anastas Sia said:

@UDT @thisintegrated if you think youre at stage yellow or above, how was it like going through stage green for you?

cause I see a lot of bias here. Maybe you should hang out with left-wing, lgbtq people more and try to understand their perspective, it would be a huge benefit any way you look at it.

you know that many lgbt people cant live their truth because of society and/or the people around them? I live in third world country, its ILLEGAL to be gay here. Is that not censorship? I see a lot of discriminatory views in my family, in regular people, in politics, and now here. masked as some kind of advanced idea. if anywhere youre being silenced it is because your views are getting old and people see that they are hurtful. the world is gonna become more sensitive before it calms down, so what? though I dont think were gonna see a stage yellow government or society in our lifetime.

I went through Green when I was somewhere around 15 years old.  idk what to say about it, Greens will Green.

Had a left/socialist bias.  Was deep into chakras/vibrations/meditation/non-physical/etc..  Listened to gurus a lot.  Believed in reincarnation.  Believed "Green perspective, best perspective".  Wasn't sceptical enough.  Slightly too radical & idealistic.  Etc.

 

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cause I see a lot of bias here

Wish people would be more specific when making such bold assertions.  There are barely any tier 2s on the forum (or anywhere else), so I'm misunderstood constantly.  Close to 100% of the time, really.  But anything tier 2 will be misunderstood, 100% of the time.  So everything is as should be.

 

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the world is gonna become more sensitive before it calms down, so what?

Maybe you missed it, but I did say the sensitivity and censorship are likely non-issues.  They're a necessary step for humanity's progression to tier 2.

 

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I dont think were gonna see a stage yellow government or society in our lifetime.

Hard to say as progress is exponential, and future technologies can affect rate of development.  But yeah, I think even the most developed countries won't be Yellow for a few more centuries.

Edited July 12, 2021 by thisintegrated

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, thisintegrated said:

There are barely any tier 2s on the forum (or anywhere else), so I'm misunderstood constantly. 

Just curious: when did you first read about Spiral Dynamics?

[thisintegrated]

On 11/07/2021 at 0:38 AM, Extreme Z7 said:

The strong majority of normies are not going to go out of their way to find obscure banned content.

You're a total fool to compare Actualized.org with hate speech.

I'm finding your posts funnier than I should.

[thisintegrated]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Just curious: when did you first read about Spiral Dynamics?

Umm.. somewhere around 1-2 years ago.  Was Yellow before I even discovered it.

[Carl-Richard]

16 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Was Yellow before I even discovered it.

And when was that?

[thisintegrated]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

And when was that?

When did I become Yellow™?

Umm.. probably like 5 years ago.  Then left Yellow maybe less than a year ago.

Edited July 12, 2021 by thisintegrated

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

When did I become Yellow™?

Umm.. probably like 5 years ago.

And you were 15 years old at that time?

[thisintegrated]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

And you were 15 years old at that time?

Well, the line is blurry AF when it comes to SD stages.  But yeah, was around 16 when I entered Yellow, getting super deep into Yellow around 17/18, constantly obsessing over UBI/automation/first-principles-thinking type stuff.

Edited July 12, 2021 by thisintegrated

[Carl-Richard]

23 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Well, the line is blurry AF when it comes to SD stages.  But yeah, was around 16 when I entered Yellow, getting super deep into Yellow around 17/18, constantly obsessed over UBI/automation/first-principles-thinking type stuff.

I see I see. I'm Orange.

Any thoughts about the response to your comment about the collectivism/individualism dichotomy?

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[lmfao]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I see I see. I'm Orange.

Alright idk your stage, but I know you don't think of yourself as orange, lying ass

As far as I go, I've kinda regressed in the last year of my life due to depression, and my shadow coming to surface generally. I probably went from yellow who was touching turquoise, to now just being in touch with shadow a lot. Moreso purple, red, orange, discovering green, etc. 

In the bigger picture it looks as if I perhaps needed/wanted all of this shadow to surface. Because otherwise, I would have mentally remained as a child more. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by lmfao

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, lmfao said:

Alright idk your stage, but I know you don't think of yourself as orange, lying ass

Shhhhh I'm trying to play 5D chess here

[thisintegrated]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Shhhhh I'm trying to play 5D chess here

iirc, you consider yourself Yellow.  But I easily confuse people on this forum, especially when they change profile pics.

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, lmfao said:

As far as I go, I've kinda regressed in the last 2 years of my life due to depression, and my shadow coming to surface generally. I probably went from yellow who was touching turquoise, to now just being in touch with shadow a lot. Moreso purple, red, orange, discovering green, etc. 

In the bigger picture it looks as if I perhaps needed/wanted all of this shadow to surface. Because otherwise, I would have mentally remained as a child more. 

I'm developmentally heterogeneous and quite young, so I'm only half-joking when I peg myself at Orange. I'm cognitively and temperamentally predisposed to Tier 2, but my theoretical immersion is limited (you can say I lack "practice" in this case which is kinda ironic lol). I'm overwhelmed spiritually. In one sense, it's my strongest side, a natural talent, but in another sense, it's a curse when it's paired with the heavy baggage of wordly immaturity. Financially, occupationally, educationally, interpersonally, and sexually, I'm pretty much 5 years behind my age group (and I'm only 23). I spent my late teens catching up on a huge Red shadow (strict parents, repressed emotions, anxiety) by heavily abusing weed, being anti-social and obsessively theorizing/contemplating, and not putting any effort into future-oriented behavior. It's only in the last couple of years I've started a holistic developmental arc where my goal is to contribute and grow and not be a self-absorbed leech.

[thisintegrated]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm developmentally heterogeneous and quite young, so I'm only half-joking when I peg myself at Orange. I'm cognitively and temperamentally predisposed to Tier 2, but my theoretical immersion is limited (you can say I lack "practice" in this case which is kinda ironic lol). I'm overwhelmed spiritually. In one sense, it's my strongest side, a natural talent, but in another sense, it's a curse when it's paired with the heavy baggage of wordly immaturity. Financially, occupationally, educationally, interpersonally, and sexually, I'm pretty much 5 years behind my age group (and I'm only 23). I spent my late teens catching up on a huge Red shadow (strict parents, repressed emotions, anxiety) by heavily abusing weed, being anti-social and obsessively theorizing/contemplating, and not putting any effort into future-oriented behavior. It's only in the last couple of years I've started a holistic developmental arc where my goal is to contribute and grow and not be a self-absorbed leech.

O, hey! You're around my age!

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heavily abusing weed

Hmm, how does one.. "abuse" weed?  When I used to vape it, I viewed it as beneficial and educational.  Really, I can't see anything as being unhealthy in the big picture.

 

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being anti-social and obsessively theorizing

Err.. these two are not the same.  One's Red, the other's potentially Yellow.

 

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not putting any effort into future-oriented behavior

You sure you're not Turquoise? lmao

 

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my goal is to contribute and grow and not be a self-absorbed leech

Well that certainly sounds like Green.  Though maybe not the healthiest perspective.

 

I've no idea what stage you're actually at, but if I had to guess, maybe Green.  Or maybe the SD model doesn't fit you well.  iirc, ~98% of the mods on the forum are Green, and you've got 3.7k posts, making you "mod-like".  It would be ..unusual for you to be anything other than Green.

[lmfao]

@Carl-Richard Makes sense yeah. Behind my age group as well at almost 21. Similar story here about being immature in most areas of life. 

[lmfao]

12 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

I've no idea what stage you're actually at, but if I had to guess, maybe Green.  Or maybe the SD model doesn't fit you well.  iirc, ~98% of the mods on the forum are Green, and you've got 3.7k posts, making you "mod-like".  It would be ..unusual for you to be anything other than Green.

LMAO, "mod-like". I don't think that's a good argument if you're trying to pass it off as one, but if you're talking about his vibes (not his number of posts) well then that's just how you see it. I can see it, but it's just a fun comparison which says nothing meaningful.

Knowing or trying to figure out what stage you are isn't important if you've known about SD for a while. 

 

There was an obnoxious user many months ago who got very obsessed with spiral dynamics, trying to figure out other people's and his own SD stage constantly. [he eventually got banned] He was just constantly insecure, trying to set up hierarchies about it. Don't fall untill the same trap. It's like people online who overly obsess about IQ or MBTI types 

Edited July 12, 2021 by lmfao

[thisintegrated]

4 minutes ago, lmfao said:

@Carl-Richard Makes sense yeah. Behind my age group as well at almost 21. Similar story here about being immature in most areas of life. 

?

I think what you're both trying to say is.. You're not Se users.

lol, should've been obvious, considering it's your 7th function.  The easiest one to ignore.

 

But I wouldn't necessarily consider that immaturity, though maybe you are, idk.

[lmfao]

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

I think what you're both trying to say is.. You're not Se users.

lol, should've been obvious, considering it's your 7th function.  The easiest one to ignore.

7th spot Se is a good point, yep