Solipsism

[Ecocotton]

If solipsism is true and I am the only one in the universe having a subjective experience, is Leo lying when he is talking about other people, or for example when he says "most people..."? Or rather since Leo is just a part of my consciousness, am I lying to myself when Leo talks about other people.?

If it is true that some parts of Leo's videos is just me deceiving myself then I don't know what to believe anymore since I used to believe in many of Leo's teachings. 

Also a question for Leo, when is your video on solipsism coming out?

I hope to hear any input or thoughts. Thanks!

 

[Vynce]

Open your mind to the possibility, that every human being, including your parents, your siblings, your friends and even Leo are just imaginary. Your human mind won't surrender to that reality so easily. High levels of consciousness are needed. 

A thousand hours of videos about Solipsism won't reveal this truth to you. This can only be experienced outside of the conceptual mind, which your mind doesn't like. On that path your mind will tell you that this is just wishful thinking or some funny concept someone found interesting. Don't be distracted by that. 

That's the game.

[RMQualtrough]

9 minutes ago, Vynce said:

Open your mind to the possibility, that every human being, including your parents, your siblings, your friends and even Leo are just imaginary. Your human mind won't surrender to that reality so easily. High levels of consciousness are needed. 

A thousand hours of videos about Solipsism won't reveal this truth to you. This can only be experienced outside of the conceptual mind, which your mind doesn't like. On that path your mind will tell you that this is just wishful thinking or some funny concept someone found interesting. Don't be distracted by that. 

That's the game.

I think the "subjective experience" part is what is being discussed. I am Leo yadda yadda, but I can only verify the experience of seeing one field of vision.

[Vynce]

@RMQualtrough Exactly. Thats the function of your human ego mind to limit your ability to experience infinity (every perspective there is) to only your finite first person view. 

However here I'm just parroting Leo. I've never actually experienced infinity yet. I just realized how my first person view is completely imaginary, and how even other human beings are just completely imagined. 

I come back when I discovered my/your/our infinite nature. 

[Ecocotton]

@Vynce Yes I already am thinking in those terms since I understand Leo's teachings. I'm at the point where I don't know what to believe anymore regarding anything in my spiritual journey. Regarding solipsism, I have had a mystical experience where I became everyone and everything, including the spirit inside of every living creature. If that is true or not I don't know. But that doesn't necessarily mean that other people have their own consciousness like me. 

If solipsism is true and I created everything just for me, whats the point of anything?

If the point of Gods creation is to share love with all the "beings" in the universe like Leo says, what's the point if it's only with one being at a time?

[nistake]

@Nahm posted this a few years ago in a solipsism thread which is a quite brilliant imo:

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We’re together in that we’re alone. It’s kinda perfect really. Identity is at play here. A person experiences loneliness, the nondual state is not a person, nor lonely. Fear of Truth is not true. Keep on your path, it only gets better. 

 

[r0ckyreed]

It’s not about believing. Belief is egos way of clinging to a sense of reality and ideology, to preserve itself. You should doubt everything and contemplate all teachings until you find them to be true or not. Solipsism is this reality. There is only consciousness and nothing is outside of it. Notice that deeply and be present in this moment. It’s like a dream or a video game. All the characters and yourself are programmed to identify with the content of the dream. But in reality it’s all made out of mind stuff and of the same substance. Therefore it’s all one. There are no other separate minds from yours. You are talking to yourself in life the same way you do in your dreams each night. Consider that there is no boundary between dream and reality. Keep questioning this stuff as I am. It’s not about belief. Notice that I and you is all imagined content in the dream. There is no dreamer but rather only dream. Recontextualize your existence as headless. Lose your head and realize you are the entire universe experiencing itself through a human form while also realizing that the entire world is also you.

[allislove]

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If solipsism is true

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[Nahm]

“It doesn’t matter what I say, as long as I sing with inflection that makes you feel I’ll convey some inner truth of vast reflection. But I’ll take nothing so far, and I can keep it up for as long as it takes. It don’t matter who you are, if I’m doin my job, it’s your resolve that breaks, because the hook brings you back - I ain’t tellin you no lie, the hook brings you back. On that you can rely.” -  John Popper

[Mason Riggle]

@Ecocotton Solipsism is true, because it's just the idea that I can't know whether or not there is anything other my own perspective.  Solipsism doesn't care if there are other perspectives or not.. it's all about what can be known.  

The Solipsist says, 'there's 1 thing I know for sure, and that is 'whatever my experience is', but I might be totally confused about what exactly that experience is. From my perspective, my perspective is the only one I can know for sure to exist.  Solipsism does not say, 'I know my perspective is the only one that exists.' 

I could be dreaming Leo, and everything he says, and my family, and every experience I can remember..  I can't know, but it also doesn't seem to matter.  It 'seems' like there are others, and that seems to be 'as real as it's ever gonna get'. 

 

[Ecocotton]

@dflores321 But if god created everything, he created my thoughts too and my thoughts are very fearful and scary 

[RMQualtrough]

36 minutes ago, Vynce said:

@RMQualtrough Exactly. Thats the function of your human ego mind to limit your ability to experience infinity (every perspective there is) to only your finite first person view. 

However here I'm just parroting Leo. I've never actually experienced infinity yet. I just realized how my first person view is completely imaginary, and how even other human beings are just completely imagined. 

I come back when I discovered my/your/our infinite nature. 

Do you see the problem?

We are arriving at truth without making ANY assumptions. The assumption there is any experience of sight happening that is not found in the field of awareness cannot be verified. It is an assumption.

It has nothing to do with whether or not there are "others" it is about whether there is an experience of qualia that I am not aware of, or anything like that.

Total pre-rational thought works like that in every other way. Evidently others are me. This is not the topic of discussion. Yes they are me and space appears in me and time appears in me. But I cannot say there is seeing or feeling or hearing other than that of which I am aware.

I'd like to see a refutation.

[Anahata]

2 hours ago, Ecocotton said:

If solipsism is true and I am the only one in the universe having a subjective experience, is Leo lying when he is talking about other people, or for example when he says "most people..."? Or rather since Leo is just a part of my consciousness, am I lying to myself when Leo talks about other people.?

If it is true that some parts of Leo's videos is just me deceiving myself then I don't know what to believe anymore since I used to believe in many of Leo's teachings. 

Also a question for Leo, when is your video on solipsism coming out?

I hope to hear any input or thoughts. Thanks!

 

Those other people that are brought up as the whole experience you're having while imaginig them & Leo talking about 'other people' happens simultaneously -- in Consciousness. Not to a person but to Consciousness. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Anahata

[Anahata]

3 hours ago, Ecocotton said:

If it is true that some parts of Leo's videos is just me deceiving myself then I don't know what to believe anymore since I used to believe in many of Leo's teachings. 

Leo is You as Consciousness pointing to itself, talking to itself, if you truly find yourself and awaken to your true nature which is Truth you will allways recognize yourself in the eyes of your direct experience.

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When looking at a flower, admiring a beautiful painting, gazing into someone's eyes, watching Leo etc, your 'interaction' with the other will reveal itself.

In the absolute sense anyone appearing on the screen of your tablet/phone and so on is in the same way here and now with you in the PRESENT MOMENT as it is 'a physically present being in the same room with you' since God is Omnipresent and One), they are Here with you as Consciousness appearing to be *you and them*)  Which is being Here and Now with 'the other' as pure Awareness of God/infinite love. The 'other' is God wanting to have any experience that you are open to receive as you and the other have the same will because we are one and we will always be together 'in some form or another' haha.

We want to make the best of it because we are Love itself, Love is our will. The more awake you get the closer you'll feel to God because while being with 'other' you awaken to the fact that the *perception* you have of the other and with the other is the very substance the other is having as God which is Consciousness. Unconditionally present as the same Consciousness, dreaming itself up in infinite ways, since infinity is absolute it can experience anything because You are what's sourcing your own existence so it cannot be split into pieces, nothing is occuring independently from you because you are the awareness of everything that is happening, Reality is Consciousness and there is no Time. You are the Now. Eternity

Your awareness is his awareness which is the absolute awareness. 

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Anahata

[Ecocotton]

@Anahata Thanks 

[Anahata]

Just now, Ecocotton said:

@Anahata Thanks 

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[The0Self]

3 hours ago, Ecocotton said:

If solipsism is true and I created everything just for me, whats the point of anything?

 

There is no point. That’s the freedom. If there were a real point, that would be a real constraint on the infinite freedom this is — impossible because it’s boundless. It’s unconditional love appearing choicelessly and needlessly and meaninglessly as perfection.

[Tim R]

@Ecocotton If Solipsism were to be true, you could not ask anyone to verify or falsify it. Thus making Solipsism an utterly meaningless problem.

There is no self and everything is of that same nature; selflessness. This is the "big Self". And as that, you are alone - but in union with the Universe, as the Universe. There is only "everything" - and as that, "everything" is alone. 

Everything is a reflection of consciousness - consciousness reflecting itself. Think of it in this way:

 

When you look at other people, you are looking at yourself.

When you look into a mirror, you are also looking at yourself. And it's the exact same thing with consciousness. 

That, which is looking (consciousness), is both the reflection and the mirror simultaneously. This is what is meant by saying "there are no other people". Your reflection in the mirror is also not an entity. There is no "other" when you look into a mirror. 

Does your reflection in the mirror "have" consciousness? No! It is consciousness!

Do other people have consciousness? No! They are consciousness! 

The mirror and the reflection are 100% identical. This is the nature of non-duality. Once you see that this is so, Solipsism immediately ceases to be a problem, because you have realized that there is no self, there is no other and there is no problem. 

[r0ckyreed]