How come that girls can be ruthless against nice guys?

[Karmadhi]

@something_else

13 hours ago, something_else said:

Though, I can see that posting these things here might be cathartic, so if that works for you then you do you.

They honestly are and i am not proud of some of the things i write when i re read them months after. Neccesary evil i guess. Nobody i know knows about them and they are a little secret of mine. I feel like if i did not express myself here i would go and rant in real life about it which would hurt me quite a lot. At least here it is a more healthy medium to channel it and get slapped in the face for it. I like when people slap me in the face and give good arguments about why im wrong, i want to be proven wrong with good arguments. However the proof i see in everyday life needs some serious arguments here to be debunked. I am not talking about incels and being ugly and blackpill and bullshit like that. I do not believe in that shit, anybody can get laid if they really want. However the work you need to get laid is ridiciously high compared to getting a relationship for a female (getting laid equivalent of females is relationships). I have attractive female friends and for them to find a great guy is a legit joke (as expected since they are attractive). However, okay/normal looking female friends i have (my equivalent in the dating market) have still options with pretty decent guys which they often reject/ignore for the most bullshit reasons. If i had access to similar girls (decent but not great ones) i would be super happy and appreciate it. 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Karmadhi

[something_else]

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Google Nicky Minaj before and after and see how much you can actually do about it.

Lol, she isn't attractive before or after. But I suppose that's my own taste.

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And i am talking just about the face with that example. If a girl goes to the gym and has a hot fit body,

I mean, yea, the majority of guys only have the requirement that a girl is not overweight. But weigh-loss and maintaining a healthy and fit body are not easy tasks for a lot of girls either. Probably pretty equivalent in difficulty to developing an attractive personality as a guy. There's a lot of weird mental shit and insecurity involved in that as well.

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Feminine behaviour is also very attractive for guys which is a lot easier to develop

How would you know it's easier to develop?

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Although with technology a girl does not even need these things. She can just use her phone to get dates with guys much higher value than her quite easily. If online dating and social media did not exist then your arguments would be more realistic, however they do not reflect reality much. 95 percent of guys are not player pua super rich chad people like dan bilzerian than have 40 hotties after them. They are normal or decent guys, thats it. Even if i personally become a top 10 percent man, it will not change this reality and people will still complain.

This is more of that super theoretical and subtly negative thinking shit that doesn't help anyone. There's a good phrase "Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die". Like I don't disagree with you on this point necessarily, but it really doesn't help you to think about this extensively

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I like when people slap me in the face and give good arguments about why im wrong, i want to be proven wrong with good arguments

This argument shit is honestly the biggest waste of time, and I think it's the biggest trap that incel type guys fall into. Why the fuck do you want to sit and argue about what girls want/like/are attracted to? How does that help you? The irony isn't lost on me, I know that's exactly what I'm doing and really it would be more valuable for me to go and do literally anything else. But I do feel that this highly theoretical thought process about dating is a trap I've fallen into and am starting to escape, which is why I feel compelled to share my experience about this

[something_else]

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you're right, but it's still a form of privelege. U can't deny whether you'd rather have money versus its lack of. That's an easy decision, even if having money comes with its own issues

I'd rather deal with the issues that come with being rich than being poor 100x over and I know ur ass would pick it too

I mean, sort of. When it comes to money I would pick it, because money has value to me. But the analogy of a bunch of random salespeople peddling shit you don't want or already have is a good one. Like if I was getting messages from a bunch of girls I really wasn't attracted to every day is that really privilege? Sort of, I suppose. I'd rather have that than nothing. But it wouldn't feel all that great.

I don't disagree with you, I just don't think it's worth thinking about really. It's not worth your mental energy. That's my overarching point and the only reason I decided to contribute to this thread in the first place

 

[Karmadhi]

@something_else

51 minutes ago, something_else said:

How would you know it's easier to develop?

Because the world today is all about kindness, fairness, humbleness etc. Just look at media and the way people are taught, they are taught to be nice kind sweet etc. Why you think nice guys are such a problem these days (how this thread was made), it is because the social narrative pushes guys to be nice. For a guy to be attractive he needs to go against the social narrative which makes guys pussies. For females, the social narrative aids what they need to develop which is kindness, sweetnes niceness etc.

2000 years ago life was harsh and what was expected out of men was ruthlessness and determination and strenght. These days out of them is these SJW narratives that make men pussies.

54 minutes ago, something_else said:

But weigh-loss and maintaining a healthy and fit body are not easy tasks for a lot of girls either

Being fat is an issue for both guys and girls. You think most guys will not have a much harder dating life with being very overweight?

 

55 minutes ago, something_else said:

There's a lot of weird mental shit and insecurity involved in that as well.

The existance of the blackpill shows that guys are insecure also.

 

55 minutes ago, something_else said:

This is more of that super theoretical and subtly negative thinking shit that doesn't help anyone. There's a good phrase "Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die". Like I don't disagree with you on this point necessarily, but it really doesn't help you to think about this extensively

Fair points. Also a poor indian should not feel frustrated that his country is poor, he should just try to escape poverty. However we feel inclined in this forumn to talk about how to reduce poverty and wealth inequality.

56 minutes ago, something_else said:

How does that help you? The irony isn't lost on me, I know that's exactly what I'm doing and really it would be more valuable for me to go and do literally anything else.

It does not help, it is just a way to blow off steam. You wrongly assume that if someone complains here then he is not doing anything to change his situation. You can do both since writting here takes max 10 minutes a day. Plenty of time to do other more  healthy things.

[hyruga]

I don't think girls are ruthless towards nice people. Or not to the 'nice' traits at least. Girls appreciate the good things done by men. 

But girls hate it when guys show weakness. You can be nice but don't show too much weaknesses. Also depends on what status the lady is currently at. Some girls tolerate weakness more than others.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, hyruga said:

I don't think girls are ruthless towards nice people.

They aren't ruthless.

They just won't surrender their pussy to that kind of weakness.

It helps to think of it from a raw sexual polarity perspective.

Why would a woman want to get impregnated by a cowardly man? In what world does this make sense? Why would this turn her on?

You might as well be upset at rabbits for fleeing from wolves.

All this black pill stuff is like a pack of wolves complaining to themselves that rabbits are bad because they are too fast and should slow down for them because they are starving.

Don't ask the rabbit to go slower, become a better wolf. You are simply a wolf who has not learned how to hunt. But learning to hunt is hard, it's much easier to make excuses for why hunting doesn't work. Then you can keep blaming the rabbits.

[Preety_India]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They aren't ruthless.

They just won't surrender their pussy to that kind of weakness.

It helps to think of it from a raw sexual polarity perspective.

Why would a woman want to get impregnated by a cowardly man? In what world does this make sense? Why would this turn her on?

You might as well be upset at rabbits for fleeing from wolves.

All this black pill stuff is like a pack of wolves complaining to themselves that rabbits are bad because they are too fast and should slow down for them because they are starving.

Don't ask the rabbit to go slower, become a better wolf. You are simply a wolf who has not learned how to hunt. But learning to hunt is hard, it's much easier to make excuses for why hunting doesn't work. Then you can keep blaming the rabbits.

Why do you always make men and women situation like rabbit and wolf thing ?

Can't a man be a wonderful friend to a woman, a caring protective guide, a leader and companion and she falls in love with his bravery and graciousness and decides to marry him.

Why does it have to be like hunting?

The word hunting makes the relationship between a man and a woman so cheap, low on the SD spiral and so devoid of true love and lacking in integrity and consciousness.

Why can't you look at love as something sacred between a loving  man and a caring woman ?

 

 

[Arcangelo]

On 7/8/2021 at 0:54 PM, Karmadhi said:

you are forced to become an arrogant selfish dick.

You are not forced to anything but if you want sex...

[Arcangelo]

19 hours ago, something_else said:

they're the physically weaker sex.

IDK about that. The fact that we have 2 weak spots (adam's apple and testicles) and they have 0 kinda evens it out.

[Arcangelo]

17 hours ago, Striving for more said:

Girls in today's society have a disproportionate amount of power and options compared to men, like remarkably disproportionate. 

Covid, social media & dating apps have made this phenomenon far far worse. 

I agree 100%

17 hours ago, Striving for more said:

a female 6, has far superior choice and social prowess than a male 7.5. 

I agree 100%

 

ANYONE telling you otherwise is fucking lying to your face and you should add them to your ignore list.

 

Peace

 

Arc

[diamondpenguin]

40 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Why do you always make men and women situation like rabbit and wolf thing ?

Can't a man be a wonderful friend to a woman, a caring protective guide, a leader and companion and she falls in love with his bravery and graciousness and decides to marry him.

Why does it have to be like hunting?

The word hunting makes the relationship between a man and a woman so cheap, low on the SD spiral and so devoid of true love and lacking in integrity and consciousness.

Why can't you look at love as something sacred between a loving  man and a caring woman ?

 

 

@Leo Gura yeah Leo she has point. Relationships are about love. It's about love, not just fucking everyone in sight. And you act like you know everything about love,  but it's clear as day that you don't. Like where is the love in that animal predation? That's the problem with men, they always act like animals.

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by diamondpenguin

[Arcangelo]

Every time someone masturbates they become an incel. Because they would have wished to have a real person to have sex with. But they didn't have it so they are incels.

We are all incels.

[Peter Miklis]

11 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

@Leo Gura yeah Leo she has point. Relationships are about love. It's about love, not just fucking everyone in sight. And you act like you know everything about love,  but it's clear as day that you don't. Like where is the love in that animal predation? That's the problem with men, they always act like animals.

 

Love has to be build on something. If there's no attraction, there's no love. Simple. That's how it works in the real world, away from your stupid deluded fantasies.

9 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

Every time someone masturbates they become an incel. Because they would have wished to have a real person to have sex with. But they didn't have it so they are incels.

We are all incels.

There are a lot of people in a relationships that masturbate.

20 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

IDK about that. The fact that we have 2 weak spots (adam's apple and testicles) and they have 0 kinda evens it out.

Women have no weak spots? Are you sure??

[Arcangelo]

10 hours ago, Tangerinedream said:

I guess a way for guys to understand the other way around would be to imagine that you have hundreds of ‘ugly’ (whatever you view as ugly) girls throwing themselves at you, but you aren’t attracted to any of them, you just want that 1 hot model to give you attention. 

NOPE

If I had a harem of ugly girls I will have sex with them, no doubt about it. But I would never get into a relationship with them and I wouldn't go out in public with them.

But that's just me. I am super potent. A combination of genetics, good diet and exercise.

 

Have fun boys and girls.

[Arcangelo]

^2 of my ex-girlfriends and a prostitute told me: -''I have never met anyone like you.''

My last ex-girlfriend told me: -'' I don't think I have ever seen you flaccid''

I told her: -''And don't you think that's a good thing?''

The pro told me: -''You could be a porn actor''

 

We are all different.

[Arcangelo]

12 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

There are a lot of people in a relationships that masturbate.

Yes, the second they masturbate they become incels. Then when they see their partner again and fuck they are no longer incels.

 

12 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

Are you sure?

Yes.

[Thunder Kiss]

[RendHeaven]

3 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Can't a man be a wonderful friend to a woman, a caring protective guide, a leader and companion and she falls in love with his bravery and graciousness and decides to marry him.

You're conveniently assuming that the guy is already attractive, so you hand-wave that aspect of the equation away and fixate on the luxuries of "wonderful friend," "caring protective guide," "leader and companion," "falling in love," "bravery and graciousness," and "marriage."

But what if the guy in question is sexually repulsive? Lmao. All of your fantasy fixations would turn to ash as you scramble to put a padlock over your genitals.

Heck, I swear YOU YOURSELF wrote a journal entry about how you hate "beta males" or something along those lines. So really you already know the answer to your own question.

Obviously a man can ascend and forgo myopic, degenerate sexual conquests. But that generally comes later after he has attained a solid grasp on basic attraction.

Edited July 10, 2021 by RendHeaven

[Peter Miklis]

@RendHeaven I'm not gonna pretend that my shit doesn't stink, but the kind of stuff she posts sometimes?‍♂️

Makes me wonder if some people take this self-improvement stuff seriously. Like, at all.

[Preety_India]

5 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

You're conveniently assuming that the guy is already attractive, so you hand-wave that aspect of the equation away and fixate on the luxuries of "wonderful friend," "caring protective guide," "leader and companion," "falling in love," "bravery and graciousness," and "marriage."

But what if the guy in question is sexually repulsive? Lmao. All of your fantasy fixations would turn to ash as you scramble to put a padlock over your genitals.

Heck, I swear YOU YOURSELF wrote a journal entry about how you hate "beta males" or something along those lines. So really you already know the answer to your own question.

Obviously a man can ascend and forgo myopic, degenerate sexual conquests. But that generally comes later after he has attained a solid grasp on basic attraction.

 I'm not intending to throw away basic attraction. But to make it sound like the whole game of love is only attraction is kinda silly in my opinion. 

Let's say a guy is very attractive but if he doesn't qualify for the stuff I stated like  "wonderful friend," "caring protective guide," "leader and companion," "falling in love," "bravery and graciousness," and "marriage" then I'm instantly going to reject him because he is just another asshole and it's like loving a book only for its cover, you know what I mean. 

The thing that I discovered in my journey of romantic love, because we're always evolving through our experiences and our thoughts change relative to our experience, and I have sort of transcended "the attractive guy" experience and what I realized recently is that even an unattractive beta male is still attractive in my eyes (I literally developed attraction for that kind of a guy ) because of how protective and caring he was. And for the first time it changed something in me and I felt like such men deserve a chance and such men are just awesome..and when the brain perceives it as awesome, it automatically generates attraction.

I have much more appreciation for those kind of men now and my attraction pattern is slowly shifting.

It's like I'm discovering a new side in my femininity with each romantic experience.

My new experience has taught me that even unattractive guys can eventually be attractive in my eyes if they become worthy of my respect and appreciation.

Having dealt with players who were very attractive but never truly caring, I think my brain has shifted the gears of attraction and began tasting waters in another direction so to speak.

It has definitely impacted my sexuality and femininity in such a big way that my brain is positively responding now when it wouldn't have in the past

The brain is simply an amazing organ. It can create anything.