Noticing Low Integrity Pickup Tactics from Leo and other "High Value Men"

[Windappreciator]

@Hello from Russia The heck, how can you fuck harder than in porn?

[peanutspathtotruth]

I started writing a long post trying to tell you that techno clubs in Berlin are very different from what you describe as "clubs" - and a few actually are, I've worked there and know many club goers. Many people come for the music, to hear specific DJs and to dance ecstatically (and take a lot of drugs, including psychedelics). So for example where I worked, people hooking up is quite rare. It's very much music focused, this exists as well, there's more than mainstream clubs. But... 

Then I realized that there is a specific concentration of what you guys talked about in even this specific, music oriented clubscene: Berghain. Many people literally come here to fuck. There are dark rooms right next to the main floor and they are full of people fucking. I've seen guys fucking 2 meters away from where friends and me chilled, in a lighted chill area. There are specific sex parties here, too, you can't even imagine... Humans are simple sometimes. So giving examples for both extremes of the spectrum here

[somegirl]

9 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

@somegirl I have yet to see a woman that regularly clubs and who hasn't had sex with someone from a club for fun.

Lol, I know plenty. I guess it depends on where you live. People in Europe are more reserved. 

Yes it is possible that girls go to clubs just to dance and have fun with her friends. 

It takes either alcohol or exceptionally charming guy for a girl to separate herself from a friend group. 

[Windappreciator]

@somegirl honey, I live in Germany.

It's possible but it ain't close to being the norm from what I have seen.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Windappreciator

[Hello from Russia]

15 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

@Hello from Russia The heck, how can you fuck harder than in porn?

In 90% of porn people actually don't know how to fuck properly

And it's not about being softer as most people think. No, it's actually about being even more hardcore but this hardcore should come from the huge love and passion, not mechanicalness

#1 complain of women who have shitty sex is that their sex is too mechanical, not that they want men to fuck them softer

What women really crave for is to have a strong high consciousness alpha male to fuck their brain's out, not just play lovey-dovey

Edited July 6, 2021 by Hello from Russia

[Windappreciator]

@Hello from Russia yeah, well fucking harder implies hardcore porn usually, not fiery passionate love, but yeah sure.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Windappreciator

[Karmadhi]

@Windappreciator I live close to germany, same shit for us too. I love when americans here make the whole world seem super social and open like murica is, far from the truth.

[knakoo]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There are some harsh truths about how women have sex. When you learn the truth of it, it busts many romanticized myths and cultural fantasies.

I got nothing against femininity or women. I just don't prepetuate the myths of how they have sex.

Sex is deliberately lied about in our culture because it is still taboo. You women have to maintain an air of innocence and purity. I get it. But I am not going to play those games.

If you are young guy reading this: treat women well. Don't be a selfish prick. Don't abuse the powers of attraction.

What you say is true, but you could easily have some trauma related to all of this. It could even create a bias in your worldview. Unless you had very intense healing moments this is kind of inevitable. And I mean bawling or "vomiting traumas" for hours kind of intense.

You never talk about emotional healing, so I assume you did not have a lot of those.

[Emerald]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There are some harsh truths about how women have sex. When you learn the truth of it, it busts many romanticized myths and cultural fantasies.

I got nothing against femininity or women. I just don't prepetuate the myths of how they have sex.

Sex is deliberately lied about in our culture because it is still taboo. You women have to maintain an air of innocence and purity. I get it. But I am not going to play those games.

If you are young guy reading this: treat women well. Don't be a selfish prick. Don't abuse the powers of attraction.

From how I’ve seen you speak about female sexuality, I feel honestly like you have overcompensated in the other direction in terms of your image of women.

It seems like you’re caught in the Madonna/Whore dichotomy. And when you discovered that women are also sexual and aren’t as innocent as the cultural sexual narratives suggest (which is true), it swings you over into the whore side of that dichotomy.

And then you convince yourself of that (which is also a distortion) and get pretty harsh about it.

And this harshness of perspective makes you view man/woman interactions purely as a zero sum game of survival.

And it cuts you (and other men who hold that perspective) off from connecting to women on an intimate level. It’s all about learning to shoot at someone you fear will outdraw you and getting what you want without much regard to the deeper motivations of women because there is an assumption that women are also playing the same zero sum game you are. Basically it ignores things on the more psychological and emotional level of human to human love. 

I can tell you, I am no innocent. And I have always resented misrepresentation as I’ve always been a very sexual person. I’ve had flings and one-night-stands with men I didn’t know very well. And I’ve also had very long monogamous relationships. 

So, I have no skin in the game in convincing you of my purity because I am not pure. Far from it.

But trust me when I say that your views on women, though having grains of truth in it, are also a distortion. And because of that distorted view, your orientation to women’s sexuality is one of resentment, struggle, armoring, and masking vulnerabilities.

I recommend looking into the Madonna/Whore Complex.

In the meantime, here’s a fun video that feels appropriate for the occasion...

 

[Windappreciator]

@Emerald

What makes you think it's his pain and not just lacking romanticism?

Let's be honest we do both kinda urge to have sex with someone we met and find hot, even a random person.

It's just that we can't for self image sake. So there must be found ways where this doesn't feel broken.

Not saying you can't feel fulfilled in a relationship where this urge relinquishes. 

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Windappreciator

[Gesundheit2]

8 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

No, it's actually about being even more hardcore but this hardcore should come from the huge love and passion, not mechanicalness

Hardcore sex is all about mechanicalness, but to do it properly you'd have to be bigger than her, both wider and taller. You can't have a short slim body and expect to satisfy a curvy girl. It's not gonna happen. You gotta prey on her like a mad dog preying on a little kitty, overwhelm her body with stimulations and override her reactions with force. That's what she means by hardcore, purely animalistic and mechanical. But then how are you gonna last for more than 5 seconds lol.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Gesundheit2

[Hulia]

@Windappreciator  I have been dozens of times in night clubs in Ukraine, Germany, Mallorca, And I have never ended by fucking someone from the club. Neither anybody from my friends group with whom I were in the club. It was all about music and dancing and not about fucking. 

I wish, I knew, what you guys are talking about

 

[Gesundheit2]

23 minutes ago, Hulia said:

@Windappreciator

I wish, I knew, what you guys are talking about

Red pill ideology 

[Windappreciator]

8 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Red pill ideology 

Watch what you assign onto me. I am not in any way into red pill.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Windappreciator

[Hulia]

But yeah... There were always some po-faced guys wandering about and throwing assessing looks on the crowd, never dancing, nevere having fun. Now I know, they were the pickupers from Leo´s forum!

What is red pill ideology?

[Peter Miklis]

On 6. 7. 2021 at 3:36 AM, Leo Gura said:

Exactly.

Because you have too little experience with the sexual escapades of hot girls.

Girls conceal and lie about how much sex they have and how easily and quickly they have it. She doesn't want you to know she sucked some random dude's cock in the parking lot after talking to him for 30 minutes. Yet this happens all the time. Your innocent girl isn't as innocent as you imagine. Your blood would boil if you knew how much sex these girls are having without you and the kind of scumbags they do it with. I am mean total scumbags.

All the fools who dissagree with this are gonna have to learn the hard way lol

[Preety_India]

On 06/07/2021 at 7:06 AM, Leo Gura said:

Exactly.

Because you have too little experience with the sexual escapades of hot girls.

Girls conceal and lie about how much sex they have and how easily and quickly they have it. She doesn't want you to know she sucked some random dude's cock in the parking lot after talking to him for 30 minutes. Yet this happens all the time. Your innocent girl isn't as innocent as you imagine. Your blood would boil if you knew how much sex these girls are having without you and the kind of scumbags they do it with. I am mean total scumbags.

Eww !! I can never relate to this.. giving a blowjob to a random guy, eww no way, that's the grossest thing ever.

Even imagining it is making me yuck yuck. Eww no.

 

I would rather wait for a virtuous man. And be his partner. Sex is so sacred.

 

[Windappreciator]

@Karmadhi In general this might be true. American culture seems more uninhibited than central European regarding casual sex. 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Windappreciator

[_Archangel_]

@Emerald I would suggest that the brutal way Leo keeps talking about this is instrumental to demystify many myths about attraction in which guys easely believe to be reality. It goes perfectly in contrast with the sugarcoated depiction of attraction that you find most movies, TV etc.

Dating is a negotiantion, a battle of Egos, and you cannot deny it. That what He points to. You are making him to much of a fool if you think he address this as a net dichotomy. Nuance is always needed. Emotions and Psychology are still part of the Game!

Also, personal anecdotes are useless here because you are probably more conscious than the average club girl.
You probably underestimate how much poeple lie about their needs in order to preserve their Persona.

[Zeroguy]

1 hour ago, Hulia said:

@Windappreciator  I have been dozens of times in night clubs in Ukraine, Germany, Mallorca, And I have never ended by fucking someone from the club. Neither anybody from my friends group with whom I were in the club. It was all about music and dancing and not about fucking. 

I wish, I knew, what you guys are talking about

 

Oh really?

C'mon admit.

See above.

Just now, _Archangel_ said:

@Emerald I would suggest that the brutal way Leo keeps talking about this is instrumental to demystify many myths about attraction in which guys easely believe to be reality. It goes perfectly in contrast with the sugarcoated depiction of attraction that you find most movies, TV etc.

Dating is a negotiantion, a battle of Egos, and you cannot deny it. That what He points to. You are making him to much of a fool if you think he address this as a net dichotomy. Nuance is always needed. Emotions and Psychology are still part of the Game!

Also, personal anecdotes are useless here because you are probably more conscious than the average club girl.
You probably underestimate how much poeple lie about their needs in order to preserve their Persona.