Noticing Low Integrity Pickup Tactics from Leo and other "High Value Men"

[Runtz]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Your innocent girl isn't as innocent as you imagine. Your blood would boil if you knew how much sex these girls are having without you and the kind of scumbags they do it with. I am mean total scumbags.

How to become a guy in the club that girls have this kind of sex with? Just RSD type night game? What other tips can you give?

[Gesundheit2]

@Harlen Kelly You and Leo are missing context.

Yes, the typical girl you meet at the club or the bar is like that, but not all girls. The cleanest history is not found within these social settings. When you go and camp in there, you're by definition asking for more experienced girls, which is why men often find themselves behind in the game.

[StarStruck]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are looking at it too seriously.

Go to a club and have fun. See what happens. Have no expectations.

Hot girls have lots of sex on a whim. It's not all about finding some ideal partner. Sometimes people are just horny and looking for an adventure.

Do you go out solo? I tried to go out solo and it is very hard to self-amuse and not be over-reaching to others. 

It is just so awkward. I'm just standing around with a beer, value scanning the place. Sure I can talk to some dudes to connect but is a marathon. I don't get how people can enjoy themselves 3+ hours in basically just some rooms with hard music. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by StarStruck

[StarStruck]

55 minutes ago, Runtz said:

How to become a guy in the club that girls have this kind of sex with? Just RSD type night game? What other tips can you give?

You need to develop this:

I'm very niave about girls too. And the more I interact with girls the more I lose my innocence. 

[Zeroguy]

2 hours ago, Gesundheit2 said:

@Harlen Kelly You and Leo are missing context.

Yes, the typical girl you meet at the club or the bar is like that, but not all girls. The cleanest history is not found within these social settings. When you go and camp in there, you're by definition asking for more experienced girls, which is why men often find themselves behind in the game.

That's why Zero is smart guy. 

Good luck guys. 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Runtz said:

How to become a guy in the club that girls have this kind of sex with? Just RSD type night game? What other tips can you give?

Be fun and playful.

Just RSD? RSD has all the theory explaining how attraction works that you would ever need. I am not going to rehash it here. It's all well-documented and there's no mystery to it. Go study it and implement.

2 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Do you go out solo? I tried to go out solo and it is very hard to self-amuse and not be over-reaching to others. 

I've gone out solo a lot. Yes, solo can be brutally hard. But it also grows you the most.

If you're starting off, solo can be too hard. Find wings.

I've also gone out a lot with wings. Most of my nights out were with fun wings and we just had fun together.

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It is just so awkward. I'm just standing around with a beer, value scanning the place. Sure I can talk to some dudes to connect but is a marathon. I don't get how people can enjoy themselves 3+ hours in basically just some rooms with hard music. 

You gotta learn to socialize and have fun.

Is it always enjoyable? Fuck no. It can be brutally difficult at times. Sometimes I would go home crying in pain. It's all part of growing up.

[RendHeaven]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sometimes I would go home crying in pain.

 

? bro...

[John Iverson]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Be fun and playful.

Just RSD? RSD has all the theory explaining how attraction works that you would ever need. I am not going to rehash it here. It's all well-documented and there's no mystery to it. Go study it and implement.

I've gone out solo a lot. Yes, solo can be brutally hard. But it also grows you the most.

If you're starting off, solo can be too hard. Find wings.

I've also gone out a lot with wings. Most of my nights out were with fun wings and we just had fun together.

You gotta learn to socialize and have fun.

Is it always enjoyable? Fuck no. It can be brutally difficult at times. Sometimes I would go home crying in pain. It's all part of growing up.

in pain of? what is your nights that cause you pain? and nights that is not okay? what would i expect?

[diamondpenguin]

Guys, it's not that hard to talk to girls anyway. Just walk up to her and blabber about some random shit, do some silly dance, and show her your makeup skills. Then she'll be obsessed with you forever. Ez. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by diamondpenguin

[Runtz]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Is it always enjoyable? Fuck no. It can be brutally difficult at times. Sometimes I would go home crying in pain. It's all part of growing up.

I am willing to go through this to 'come out the other end'.

Would 2000 cold approach sets be enough to attract 8+ in the field and to at least not feel devastated if it doesn't work.

After how many hours in the field did you 'become a man' and got a different perspective on rejection for example?

The thing I'm struggling the most with girls is I can't think rationally when I'm around them, in the sense that my self-confidence plummets to an extreme and delusional level. When I am at home I have a rational idea of how attractive I am, at least I think. But when around or talking to girls most of the time there are just extreme negative thoughts about myself, both about my appearance and about my personality. I try to become aware that they are delusional but it never seems to work. The thoughts are accompanied by feelings of anxiety and shame.

I also am afraid that if I approach a lot that I will only get rejected and that thus my anxieties will be proven by the field. I am afraid of the possiblity of my utter failure and therefore extreme unattractiveness.

I know it is because of my trauma, because there were rejection and bullying traumas, also sexual traumas so it does of course make a lot of sense that I have these issues, but come on I can literally only think extremely negatively about myself when around girls. fills up my entire mind. The self hate is becoming extremely frustrating.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Runtz

[Kshantivadin]

@Runtz I don't think I've done 2000 cold approach sets.

Making an analogy to chess - playing chess is having fun, analyzing your games is where the growth happens. Of course you can build skill with brute-forcing it, but that's not so efficient. balance 20% theory and then go and do massive action - but try and make it nuanced. Check how different openers mean different reactions and sets and outcome of sets and how some are just plain bad.

Rejection doesn't mean the girl rejected you - she rejected the way you played. Never take the rejections personally. Doesn't mean you won't cry though. But if you are willing to go through it, of course you're gonna make it.

The problem though is that I believe you need to work on your inner game before approaching girls. It can be hard and harsh and having a negative mindset going into it not only means that it will feed your confirmation bias, learned helplessness and maladaptive attribution styles, but that you will bring in the rejection with you. It's a vicious circle.

[Galyna]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You think foreigners aren't filthy horny dogs too? It's the human condition.

Leo, you know I do appreciate your hard work. 

But sometimes, when you talk about women this way, it makes me feel that there is some sort of resentment. I believe you are not close with mom either.

Feels like you want to settle for less since you lost hope to find a mate who could compete with you.  The way you talk about femininity, I feel some pain and toxicity.

Women are different; you can not categorize them like this. But telling your audience about dicks' sucking on a parking lot after 30 minutes of mating, is a bit overboard. No woman will ever get pleasure from this. Deep down it all comes to the security in the relationships.

If you are talking about a teen who got wasted, please specify this for your audience. Otherwise your statements do not have any ground. 

And I believe you know this, you made a great video about this. 

My thing is we have so many young people on this forum, who never fully watched your episodes, they can twist your words as their mind wants. Just do not articulate such statements. 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Runtz said:

I am willing to go through this to 'come out the other end'.

Would 2000 cold approach sets be enough to attract 8+ in the field and to at least not feel devastated if it doesn't work.

After how many hours in the field did you 'become a man' and got a different perspective on rejection for example?

This very much depends on you.

Stop worrying about the numbers and just get excited about going out and approaching on a weekly basis.

2000 will certainly get you some amazing times.

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Galyna said:

The way you talk about femininity, I feel some pain and toxicity.

There are some harsh truths about how women have sex. When you learn the truth of it, it busts many romanticized myths and cultural fantasies.

I got nothing against femininity or women. I just don't prepetuate the myths of how they have sex.

Sex is deliberately lied about in our culture because it is still taboo. You women have to maintain an air of innocence and purity. I get it. But I am not going to play those games.

If you are young guy reading this: treat women well. Don't be a selfish prick. Don't abuse the powers of attraction.

[somegirl]

I imagine it is true that women behave in such promiscuous ways in places like clubs, where they get drunk and loosen up. In such condition they would hook up with a guy they otherwise wouldn't even talk with.

But in real life, it is very hard to get a girl to sleep with a guy, even more so when she is a virgin. It is just in girl's biology, that it is not in her favour to sleep with as many guys as she can, because girls generally seek security and quality. Plus she would be taking more risks if she would behave in such a way, compared to guys who are more carefree about those stuff and don't have as much things to lose as girls do. 

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course no girl will admit to going to a club to fuck. She must act like it's just fun with friends so she isn't slut-shamed by folks like you.

Don't kid yourself. People go to clubs to fuck. Whether they admit it or not.

Man, i never trust girls if i ask them why they go to clubs. When i say this i do not say it from asking girls, i say it after i see how downright annoyed girls are after being approached by guys in clubs and how they complain that they just want to be left alone to have fun with their friends. I also see how unwilling they are to get approached especially when they are in a group. I used to believe that girls go to clubs with the purpose of fucking but after going to clubs myself i think they go to clubs to have fun with friends and if some top 5 percent guy comes to them they will leave their friends for that guy.

Also you tend to ignore culture and the place at hand. Different countries have different cultures, Las Vegas for example is known to be full of girls wanting to casually fuck and it is super liberal city. Also american girls are super open relative to european girls. I have interacted with both a lot and there is a huge difference between the two. If drunk then yeah everyone is a social butterfly. The biggest introvert will become RSD Tyler if properly drunk. Of course you should approach and not use location as an excuse but i am just clarifying it.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Is it always enjoyable? Fuck no. It can be brutally difficult at times. Sometimes I would go home crying in pain. It's all part of growing up.

Mad respect for the willpower. I feel like most guys would have given up after like 200 apparoches without results. You should make a video just explaining how you managed to get the willpower and motivation to approach 439 girls without results and still going for it without giving up hope

[SgtPepper]

On 7/4/2021 at 11:33 AM, coca said:

 "EMbrAce sExAal eNerGy with lOve and conSciousnNss!"

 

HAHA thats my words. When I said that, I was referring to how to deal with horniness, friend . So practically speaking, I was saying enjoy the feeling of being horny, without needing to do anything about it. 

I agree with your original post though. I find pick-up distasteful. Everyone is different though and everyone's situation is different. 

[Windappreciator]

@somegirl I have yet to see a woman that regularly clubs and who hasn't had sex with someone from a club for fun.

[Hello from Russia]

One interesting thing that I found in reality - is that women want to be fucked harder than in porn

I find it to be quite funny, considering how condescending people talk about porn usually and how much "fake purity" there is about a subject when people talk about it in public

Edited July 6, 2021 by Hello from Russia