Adeptus makes a good point (reality isn't an illusion)

[Inliytened1]

31 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

@Inliytened1 doesn't it seem a little 'pot calling the kettle black' to say 'so an so will be stuck in materialism'?  Who are you talking about, if not some 'material organism who will be stuck in materialism'.. 

My point is, if you think someone is stuck in materialism, then you are also stuck in materialism, because you think there is a 'material someone' who is 'stuck in materialism'. 

 

No you are conflating the absolute with the relative here...yes he is God tricking himself into believing he is a human.  As am I.  He is me..  It's all entertainment but within the context of the dream is where my post comes from.  

[Mason Riggle]

@Inliytened1 not exactly 'conflating' the two, but transcending the duality of 'the separation between 'absolute' and 'relative'. 

[VeganAwake]

Everyone wants a better version or perspective of reality.

Reality must feel so insulted ?

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

@Inliytened1 not exactly 'conflating' the two, but transcending the duality of 'the separation between 'absolute' and 'relative'. 

With regards to Adeptus, again relatively speaking, this would be of no help to him because he must first discover the duality before transcending it.   He must first discover that physical reality exists within Consciousness and there is nothing independent of Mind.  

[Mason Riggle]

@Inliytened1 who, exactly, must discover that physical reality exists within Consciousness and there is noting independent of Mind?  Some physical organism called Adeptus?  If you think this, isn't it you who must discover that there is nothing independent of Mind? That there is no independent 'Adeptus' who must discover anything?? 

[Carl-Richard]

33 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

@Carl-Richard is 'seeming real' (immaterial dream of forms) different from being real (material)?   If so, how? 

For the materialist, there is a difference, but it is merely postulated to be that way. There is no good argument for it.

Edited July 2, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Mason Riggle]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

For the materialist, there is a difference.

What is a 'materialist' to someone who is not a 'materialist'?  

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

What is a 'materialist' to someone who is not a 'materialist'?  

To me, it seems like you're conflating the concept of material (substance) with the concept of form (appearance). To me, what you're saying is that a person appears to be displaying materialistic tendencies, but that doesn't mean you necessarily believe that that person is made out of matter or is grounded in a substance that exists independent of appearances. The materialists assumption is an additional step.

Edited July 2, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Mason Riggle]

@Carl-Richard what's the difference between something 'actually being material' (substance) and something 'appearing to be material'(appearance)? 

I'm conflating the two, because there is no difference. 

Edited July 2, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

  Some physical organism called Adeptus?  If you think this, 

Do I think this or am I participating in the comic play? ?

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Mason Riggle said:

@Carl-Richard what's the difference between some 'actually being material' and something 'appearing to be material'? 

The difference between God waking up and not

 

[Mason Riggle]

@Inliytened1 doesn't matter..

Is this forum real, or does it just seem that way?

It doesn't matter, you see?

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Mason Riggle said:

 I'm conflating the two, because there is no difference. 

There is no difference, yet you just called a person a materialist

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

@Inliytened1 doesn't matter..

Is this forum real, or does it just seem that way?

It doesn't matter, you see?

The difference between God being asleep and awake has nothing to do with mattering or not. 

[Mason Riggle]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

There is no difference, yet you just called a person a materialist

because I'm a 'materialist/idealist'... I have no qualms about suggesting that reality is imaginary... and it's imaginarily real.

[Mason Riggle]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The difference between God being asleep and awake has nothing to do with mattering or not. 

@Inliytened1 if a difference doesn't 'matter'.. then what difference does it make? 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Mason Riggle said:

because I'm a 'materialist/idealist'... I have no qualms about suggesting that reality is imaginary... and it's imaginarily real.

Sounds like you have the view that nothing matters, but never really had direct consciousness of Truth.  That's perfectly fine, as I said to have direct consciousness of Truth doesn't make one special.  It just IS.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

because I'm a 'materialist/idealist'... I have no qualms about suggesting that reality is imaginary... and it's imaginarily real.

So what you're saying is that you're not making any sense. Ok  

[Mason Riggle]

11 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

So what you're saying is that you're not making any sense. Ok  

Saying reality is 'imaginary/real' makes more sense than thinking some imaginary person is 'really confused'. (an imaginary person could be imaginarily confused, or a real person can be really confused).   

That's like suggesting a person in my dream is having strange thoughts.  "I know [Adeptus] is just a character in my dream, but he is really thinking some strange thoughts, and I should convince other characters in my dream of this". 

Edited July 2, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

That's like suggesting a person in my dream is having strange thoughts.  "I know [Adeptus] is just a character in my dream, but he is really thinking thoughts, and I should convince other characters in my dream of this". 

Cuz you are imagining he is real silly ?