Pertinent Question on taxation on billionares.

[captainamerica]

Leo is wrong about at least few things in Consciousness:

"Consciousness and Truth are antithetical to power accumulation." It is harmonious, first. This is inherent to Kundalini/Shakti etc. Otherwise how will race survive? Second, many times it is the stark opposite to what he said as there is an inner prompting for power gain for the purpose of work being accomplished smoothly. (One example of this is the enlightening kundalini experience of Vishen Lakhiani  as he was being free of anger hatred etc. , given in Becoming Extraordinary masterclass )

Becoming more conscious does not take away the sense of equity. And the sense of equity is determined by the overall development of society in that time. Relativism can be misused here.  (including cannibalizing effects without compensation to economy as a whole). Depending on the creative power of the Conscious or even enlightened person, the sense of equity is in fact increased.

 

 

 

"Status games are always going to exist; there’s no way around it. Realize that most of the time when you’re trying to create wealth, you’re getting attacked by someone else and they’re trying to look like a goody-two shoes. They’re trying to up their own status at your expense."

 

"There’s always a subtle competition going on between status and wealth. For example, when journalists attack rich people or the tech industry, they’re really bidding for status. They’re saying, “No, the people are more important. And I, the journalist, represent the people, and therefore I am more important.”

The problem is, to win at a status game you have to put somebody else down. That’s why you should avoid status games in your life—because they make you into an angry combative person. You’re always fighting to put other people down and elevate yourself and the people you like.

Status games are always going to exist; there’s no way around it. Realize that most of the time when you’re trying to create wealth, you’re getting attacked by someone else and they’re trying to look like a goody-two shoes. They’re trying to up their own status at your expense.

They’re playing a different game. And it’s a worse game. It’s a zero-sum game, instead of a positive-sum game."

 

 

"That’s right. What those countries, political parties, and groups are reduced to is playing the zero-sum game of status. In the process to destroy wealth creation, they drag everybody down to their level."

These people are not intellectuals who understand the economy or are healthy well-integrated Green. Don't BS. They are playing a different game. This is one of the factors leading to seeking security by Founders and Leaders. Then there are people who compare founders to Aristocrats and think they are conscious or understand economy and democracy.

Edited July 9, 2021 by captainamerica

[Epikur]

3 hours ago, captainamerica said:

First, you fell into a common psychological trap. I asked you to contemplate on it as it is used against you for manipulation, like right now, but you are not getting it.

Second, this is stupid technical minutia. They are living amazing lifestyles but you won’t look beyond your own article's definition of it.

Yes it is only a minor technical detail when you are wrong. You said that my sources are weak and delivered some weird sources yourself. Then I delivered good sources now you want to distract from being wrong. 

Just own it so you do not look worse.

 

[captainamerica]

25 minutes ago, Epikur said:

Yes it is only a minor technical detail when you are wrong. You said that my sources are weak and delivered some weird sources yourself. Then I delivered good sources now you want to distract from being wrong. 

Sources???

You "Research" on Reddit's dark group thinking corners and your understanding is bad quality. @Epikur

It is an Epistemological blunder. A gambler may win random amounts 9/10 times but he will lose everything on the 10 th time. This how 90 percent of novice traders lose money. The whole process of logical reasoning and deriving proper conclusion and testing and real-world experience etc. comes first not one-off gamble even if assume it to be true for the sake of your feelings. The whole process comes first. Not mere one off transactions.

If these are sources then I am Barack Obama's uncle who inspired him to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples because of which he got Nobel peace prize in 2009. Where is my Nobel Prize?

Edited July 9, 2021 by captainamerica

[captainamerica]

@Epikur You search for Ken Honda who researched about 12,000 Japanese millionaires....... see how they have private jets, cars, mansions, etc.

Edited July 9, 2021 by captainamerica

[Epikur]

1 hour ago, captainamerica said:

Sources???

You "Research" on Reddit's dark group thinking corners and your understanding is bad quality. @Epikur

It is an Epistemological blunder. A gambler may win random amounts 9/10 times but he will lose everything on the 10 th time. This how 90 percent of novice traders lose money. The whole process of logical reasoning and deriving proper conclusion and testing and real-world experience etc. comes first not one-off gamble even if assume it to be true for the sake of your feelings. The whole process comes first. Not mere one off transactions.

If these are sources then I am Barack Obama's uncle who inspired him to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples because of which he got Nobel peace prize in 2009. Where is my Nobel Prize?

You are a special case. Businessinsider is not reddit or darknet. You did not come up with any sources.

 

[Epikur]

1 hour ago, captainamerica said:

@Epikur You search for Ken Honda who researched about 12,000 Japanese millionaires....... see how they have private jets, cars, mansions, etc.

Do not distract. You said you do not believe that the Japanese rich are less flashy on average than the American ones. Bring some evidence.

[captainamerica]

5 minutes ago, Epikur said:

You are a special case. Businessinsider is not reddit or darknet. You did not come up with any sources.

 

Nice excuse from a conspiracy theorist.  

"a modest and low-profile lifestyle," this is written in quotes in the article you are talking about. They did not write it directly, put it underquotes. The point about the difference in definitions which you did not understand before.

2 minutes ago, Epikur said:

Do not distract. You said you do not believe that the Japanese rich are less flashy on average than the American ones. Bring some evidence.

@Epikur I am not here to fix your epistemologically broken ass.

This is a common excuse made by people like you who don't do the work. The Citation Fallacy.

https://illimitablemen.com/2017/05/26/critical-thinking-the-citation-needed-fallacy/ 

[Epikur]

19 minutes ago, captainamerica said:

Nice excuse from a conspiracy theorist.  

"a modest and low-profile lifestyle," this is written in quotes in the article you are talking about. They did not write it directly, put it underquotes. The point about the difference in definitions which you did not understand before.

@Epikur I am not here to fix your epistemologically broken ass.

This is a common excuse made by people like you who don't do the work. The Citation Fallacy.

https://illimitablemen.com/2017/05/26/critical-thinking-the-citation-needed-fallacy/ 

Quote

The Taiwaese tend to hide their wealth rather than flaunt it, according to Bloomberg, which calls Taipei 'Asia's stealthy rich city'

https://www.businessinsider.com/living-as-a-millionaire-in-taipei-taiwan-homes-lifestyle-photos-2019-5

Oh my god they put it in quotes so it must be wrong and the opposite must be true. You are a special case of a lier.

Here you have it without quotes even the epistemologically disabled might have the chance to understand it.

Edited July 9, 2021 by Epikur

[captainamerica]

7 minutes ago, Epikur said:

Oh my god they put it in quotes so it must be wrong and the opposite must be true. 

@Epikur Difference in definitions, jack.

I never said the 180 degrees opposite to it. But opposite to your projections is implied. Learn the basic difference. Even high schoolers know this bro. Why are you doing this?

 

An easy example for you:

An "expensive" item for you is not "expensive" for a millionaire.

Edited July 9, 2021 by captainamerica

[Epikur]

Just now, captainamerica said:

@Epikur Difference in definitions, jack.

I never said the opposite. Learn the basic difference. Even high schoolers know this bro. Why are you doing this?

Because you are a lier

Quote

Japan's rich: acutely aware of their wealth and not flashy with it

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/10/10/business/economy-business/japans-rich-acutely-aware-wealth-not-flashy/
 

[captainamerica]

Just now, Epikur said:

Because you are a lier

You could not understand a basic fact. Don't blame it on me.

[captainamerica]

4 minutes ago, Epikur said:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/10/10/business/economy-business/japans-rich-acutely-aware-wealth-not-flashy/

This is the same way Trump said he is humble.

Learn to make basic distinctions from your own thinking and observation.

[Epikur]

Just now, captainamerica said:

This is the same way Trump said he is humble.

Learn to make basic distinctions from your own thinking and observation.

No you were complaining that I have a reddit source for my argument and some sentences were in quotes. 

I delivered reasonable sources and you still do not accept it. Then you come up with stupid distractions. Just own that you were wrong and lied and move on.

[captainamerica]

@Epikur Is EpiKur short for Epistemological Kuru?

How many times you will not be open-minded to a basic fact?

[Epikur]

43 minutes ago, captainamerica said:

@Epikur Is EpiKur short for Epistemological Kuru?

How many times you will not be open-minded to a basic fact?

The fact that you are lying and distracting and doubling on it. Yes I learned to accept that. 
Even without sources that Japanese are more humble than westerners are not far fetched and probably also the case with the rich. Though we have some research luckily into it. 

 

[captainamerica]

26 minutes ago, Epikur said:

The fact that you are lying and distracting and doubling on it. 

Tell that to your mind. Doing that will be of some practical use to you.

 

 

 

 

If you call that "research" then I don't know what to say to you. Does it come from the same place which calls Founders in 2021 as Aristocrats of France in the 17th century? 

https://illimitablemen.com/2017/05/26/critical-thinking-the-citation-needed-fallacy/

 

Edited July 9, 2021 by captainamerica

[Danioover9000]

@captainamerica

18 hours ago, captainamerica said:

Leo is wrong about at least few things in Consciousness:

"Consciousness and Truth are antithetical to power accumulation." It is harmonious, first. This is inherent to Kundalini/Shakti etc. Otherwise how will race survive? Second, many times it is the stark opposite to what he said as there is an inner prompting for power gain for the purpose of work being accomplished smoothly. (One example of this is the enlightening kundalini experience of Vishen Lakhiani  as he was being free of anger hatred etc. , given in Becoming Extraordinary masterclass )

Becoming more conscious does not take away the sense of equity. And the sense of equity is determined by the overall development of society in that time. Relativism can be misused here.  (including cannibalizing effects without compensation to economy as a whole). Depending on the creative power of the Conscious or even enlightened person, the sense of equity is in fact increased.

 

 

 

"Status games are always going to exist; there’s no way around it. Realize that most of the time when you’re trying to create wealth, you’re getting attacked by someone else and they’re trying to look like a goody-two shoes. They’re trying to up their own status at your expense."

 

"There’s always a subtle competition going on between status and wealth. For example, when journalists attack rich people or the tech industry, they’re really bidding for status. They’re saying, “No, the people are more important. And I, the journalist, represent the people, and therefore I am more important.”

The problem is, to win at a status game you have to put somebody else down. That’s why you should avoid status games in your life—because they make you into an angry combative person. You’re always fighting to put other people down and elevate yourself and the people you like.

Status games are always going to exist; there’s no way around it. Realize that most of the time when you’re trying to create wealth, you’re getting attacked by someone else and they’re trying to look like a goody-two shoes. They’re trying to up their own status at your expense.

They’re playing a different game. And it’s a worse game. It’s a zero-sum game, instead of a positive-sum game."

 

 

"That’s right. What those countries, political parties, and groups are reduced to is playing the zero-sum game of status. In the process to destroy wealth creation, they drag everybody down to their level."

These people are not intellectuals who understand the economy or are healthy well-integrated Green. Don't BS. They are playing a different game. This is one of the factors leading to seeking security by Founders and Leaders. Then there are people who compare founders to Aristocrats and think they are conscious or understand economy and democracy.

   Yes,, I do agree that there's some ecology between consciousness and true and power. In fact, they end up being identical. However, that's spiritual stuff which is separate from politics in the relative domain.

   Either some economists figure out a combination of how capitalistic and socialistic business models merge together, and find a better taxation rate for the rich, or step back and let A.I figure it out.

[captainamerica]

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@captainamerica

   Yes,, I do agree that there's some ecology between consciousness and true and power. In fact, they end up being identical. However, that's spiritual stuff which is separate from politics in the relative domain.

   Either some economists figure out a combination of how capitalistic and socialistic business models merge together, and find a better taxation rate for the rich, or step back and let A.I figure it out.

 

Becoming more conscious does not take away the sense of equity. And the sense of equity is determined by the overall development of society in that time. Relativism can be misused here.  (including cannibalizing effects without compensation to economy as a whole). Depending on the creative power of the Conscious (or even Enlightened person), the sense of equity is in fact increased.

This is as true as it gets in the relative political domain. And it cannot be changed either since it is rooted in human psychology, evolution, etc. Wouldn't you agree? @Danioover9000

 

 

 

The problem with the economy is much deeper than just the taxation of billionaires. It includes printing of money as @StarfoxEpiphany said (unusually high inflation due to this in 2020) , wall st. manipulation, short selling, Quantitative Easing, percentile deviations between wages vs capability(underpayment) etc.

I am left inclined. But the problem with woke left is scapegoating, which they may not intend to do. But the consequence of a revolution that takes away at scale wealth creation with the highest tax rate without understanding the real problems created by all the above issues is catastrophic. It will lead to millions being jobless and many deaths. 

The majority of the issues that even Leo outlined can be solved by removing health sectors privatization (free-market philosophy)and placing it under the major public influence like other countries do, with a combination of progressive tax rates. In the rest of the industries minor interference at best. If the interference is more due to sentimental reasons without understanding the complexity of these systems then again the outcome is catastrophic at scale for millions.

I do not believe for a sec. that the US society can handle a Gini index less than ~30 percent. The ideal is about that which higher tax rate will get, along with dealing with the critical/major issues. Less than 30 percent without proper structures in place and skipping physical development and a real understanding of the complex systems sounds good on paper (in short term) just like marxism does but the consequences are catastrophic. I should probably put the word Catastrophic in bold. Millions jobless, food supply and production disruptions, deaths, etc. This is data, not fear-mongering as labeled by some due to their own survival agenda.

Edited July 10, 2021 by captainamerica

[captainamerica]

Inflation is one of the worst for the US due to printing money out of thin air, Quantitative Easing, and the US changing to unreliable ways of reporting inflation. Many similar issues are the real problems and big wins that people actually want if they had the understanding.

Inflation also pushes the need for incomes and capital gains into higher tax brackets. But if the foundation is the house of cards then this need as well (as well as the imaginary benefits for the highest tax) as the topmost priority (leaving the other major things), is illusory as well logically speaking.

Edited July 10, 2021 by captainamerica

[captainamerica]

12 minutes ago, captainamerica said:

Inflation is one of the worst for the US due to printing money out of thin air, Quantitative Easing, and the US changing to unreliable ways of reporting inflation. Many similar issues are the real problems and big wins that people actually want if they had the understanding.

Inflation also pushes the need for incomes and capital gains into higher tax brackets. But if the foundation is the house of cards then this need as well (as well as the imaginary benefits for the highest tax) as the topmost priority (leaving the other major things), is illusory as well logically speaking.

Wages also go down as they do not keep up with inflation.

All this is compound (negative) effect upon compound (negative) effect upon compound (negative) effect. A spaghetti of compound negative effects, creating negative outcomes in multiple layers.

This is because of shitty policy making and reporting of the US govt. There is no alternative to solving this. Taxation will not replace it. In fact, very high taxation will make this even worse.  

Edited July 10, 2021 by captainamerica