lsd frequency Q

[levani]

i took LSD a few days ago and i've read somewhere i need to take a 2-4 week break from it

 

the question is doe can i take mushrooms or 2cb meanwhile waiting for lsd for a few weeks ?

[RobertZ]

The rule of thumb for LSD is somewhere around 2 weeks after a full-blown trip to return to practically zero tolerance. I mean, you could always trip the next day with about a double dose. the third day in a row, you are looking at roughly quarter effects.

However, Psychedelics can continue to have some effects even during tolerance. For example, the Stammets protocol is taking psilocybin mushrooms, Lions mane mushrooms, and niacin together 5 days on, 2 days off, to cause significant neurogenesis. 

Also, tolerance may not work the same at higher doses. I vaguely remember Leary going on about being stoned for well over 100 days straight (slowly chewing sheets of acid). Same thing with the notes of some producers. High daily. And let's not forget the month or two Dennis and Terrence McKenna survived in the wilderness on the flesh of giant magic mushrooms. Terrence was obviously messed up. 

But for simple doses, the rule of thumb is 2 weeks to clear the tolerance. But for LSD microdosing, twice a week is fine.

For mushrooms, the tolerance period for a full dose is shorter--closer to a week. Microdosing mushrooms every day reduces the proprio-effects to nil by day 4.

LSD and mushrooms have cross-tolerance. So if you get stoned on acid one day, and you take mushrooms the following day, the mushroom effect will be much less.

 

Even a week after the LSD, the mushrooms will have decreased effects-eg.

Day 1: acid

Day 7: mushrooms

Day 14: acid.

The day 7 mushrooms might have whatever--say 65% effect; but the acid and mushroom tolerance together mean the day 14 LSD trip probably won't be 100%, but fairly close. You might miss some of the firework sparkles. 

Say you took mushrooms in the middle of a 3 week LSD gap--I Think the mushrooms will be slightly diminished, but the acid will be close to full effects. 

2CB is a phenethlamine (a psychedelic distantly related to a stimulants), and I think phenethlamines are also cross tolerant with LSD and mushrooms--but it works on some different paths. I would not waste (or risk) a $100 mescaline trip on any kind of tolerance, but I've never had reason to look into the question of 2cb tolerance. I just took it here and there--and that was that. Probably 2CB has a fairly short tolerance period.
 

You can always experiment with tolerance if you want. No biggie. There is just something magical to full-blown trips without tolerance--like a full-blown mushroom come-down--you really feel the beauty of existence. Come-up mushroom laughter or enhanced visual processing is pretty darn awesome too. So, There is something special to waiting for tolerance to clear. 

But really--what is 90% of an acid headspace?

Edited June 29, 2021 by RobertZ

[levani]

@RobertZ interesting, which books did you scuff this from

[kinesin]

@levani  You'll get the most therapeutic/spiritual benefit from restricting your psychedelic usage to once every 6 months or so.  Think of it like defragging your hard drive - it isn't something you need to do all the time.

If you're feeling an urge to trip again and it's only been a few days, you should inquire within yourself as to what your motivation might be for taking it, to ensure it isn't pure recreation or an avoidance behaviour.

[Adrian325]

LSD with MDMA. Great experience every time. .12mg of MDMA and 1and half hit of LSD

[Corpus]

8 minutes ago, Adrian325 said:

LSD with MDMA. Great experience every time. .12mg of MDMA and 1and half hit of LSD

Perhaps, whilst the experience is "on"; however, the candyflip if done repeatedly can produce a confusing depressive episode 3-4 days later. A fine experience but one which should be visited infrequently.

[kinesin]

@Adrian325  General wisdom regarding MDMA frequency is not to use it more than once every 3 months or so, because otherwise the 'magic' wears off and you can never get it back.  Once very convincing argument I've seen against more regular use despite that is that a couple of decades from now, MDMA will probably be used quite widely in a therapeutic context, and the last thing you want is to not be able to enjoy those benefits because you already used MDMA recreationally too many times.

[RobertZ]

@levani H. A. Abramson did a lot of the research on the cross tolerance between mushrooms and LSD in the '60s. For example,

https://bibliography.maps.org/bibliography/default/resource/1809

https://bibliography.maps.org/bibliography/default/resource/4463

Edited July 1, 2021 by RobertZ