Has reality a bias towards humans?

[LostSoul]

Im struggling very hard to connect the dots between conciousness and being human. Leo and his teachings are, obviosuly, always coming from a human perspective. Is awakening limited to humans? What is really difficult to understand to me is conecting everything Leo says without a human in the middle of everything. Like he says that every piece of reality is made by yourself to make yourself fall asleep or awaken. But what sense has these if you were a fucking ant?

[Nahm]

20 minutes ago, LostSoul said:

But what sense has these if you were a fucking ant?

What sense is there in you being a human? At least the ants aren’t susceptible to illnesses. 

[LostSoul]

Sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly, Im from Spain. I meant, what is the sense of teachings like:

''reality is composed of two things: things that are for you to falling asleep and things that are for you to awaken''

''you are creating reality every moment and the greatest thing to do in life is to awake''

''God wants you to awaken but can't do it for you''

...if you are not a human capable of these things. I mean what if you are an ant?

[Vynce]

I cant speak for Leo but remember that there are not ants outside of you. They exist like every other form just "couched in your consciousness". So there is no perspective of being an ant. 

[kinesin]

@LostSoul  My understanding is that the 'issue' with humans is the fact that we seperate reality into parts by the use of concepts and language, and that this conceptual/object-based understanding of reality creates a set of illusions which get in the way of a more fundamental, embodied sense of being where really everything is just one unified thing, God.  Awakening is, in part, the process of re-entering the stream of raw reality which precedes all observations, labels and understanding.

Some other organisms may have a similar issue, but for the most part yes, awakening is a uniquely human concern.  To go on a tangent for a moment... I believe that the biblical genesis and garden of eden narratives can be read as quite informative accounts of the first conscious human's process of creating separation within reality (for example the process of 'separating the waters' aka seeing distinction between the land and air, despite everything actually being one unified whole as it is in pure unpercieved reality).  Likewise Adam went around naming the animals, which I interpret as giving worded concepts to each thing, and in the process 'creating' it by separating it from the raw reality stream... but along with this the humans also noticed their own nakedness, and gained knowledge of the fact that they would die.  In this process of labelling, humans were 'kicked out' of the garden of eden, which I interpret as being the pre-conscious state of perfect union and harmony in nature before conceptual understanding popped up and separated us from god.

Hopefully there's some apparent relevance to what I've said here, and how it relates to the human struggle to return to the garden of eden.

Edited June 27, 2021 by kinesin

[The0Self]

Well, since subjective reality has bias toward itself (or rather is that bias), human reality is biased towards human.

[LostSoul]

@kinesin thanks¡

[Nahm]

19 hours ago, LostSoul said:

Sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly

Gotta understand what deflection is, to spot your own deflections.

20 hours ago, LostSoul said:

Leo and his teachings are, obviosuly, always coming from a human perspective.

And projection. 

Deflection & projection = holding the same beliefs, by changing the subject when they are in question, and assuming your beliefs are true on behalf of those telling you they aren’t. 

The opposite you might say, is introspection, or, questioning the validity of the belief.

[gettoefl]

all i know is the abc my this here reality

the a is am but at that point no i just the whole blob

then the b is an i b here, that i being the assumed center of a split into constituent parts, all teems with life, i say it is good to be here

then the c is for consciousness oh right i must be this, i commit the original sin, i mistake the center housing me for the being animating me

i am the consciousness that placed all the pieces on the canvas including its own house, the body mind is another object just like any other moving helplessly according to instinct and intuition, o lord have mercy

once i repent of my sin and step back to consciousness, i see all around me shining luminously as this is my body including me you the ant the fly

the whole beeswax

Edited June 28, 2021 by gettoefl