Stage orange summer camp

[John Paul]

Let's say that we started a camp (not just for summer) for adults and it's purpose was to fulfill all of the needs and desires of someone at stage orange and help them develop through it into early stage green-

What kind of activities would we provide? What kind of "self-help" in moments of challenge and temporary failure of those activities would we provide? And how and when would green values get introduced to an individual?

 

And how would such a thing be marketed? thanks

Edited June 22, 2021 by John Paul

[Eph75]

Development isn't taught, it's experienced, through challenging circumstances such that stretches our sense making into previously uncharted territory.

So it would have to involve making everyone uncomfortable and alternating between uncomfortable, potentially painful experiences and bringing them back to safety, back to what is familiar. 

Therapy, coaching sessions, and designed circumstances that challenge based on what comes up in those sessions. 

Who would sign up? The problem becomes orange not being interested to let go of what they are pursuing as the drive and conviction is having more of the same, not less or something completely different else. They would have to experience the unfilfillment and lack of happiness from continued indulgence, e.g. meeting materialistic or monetary desires and needs not bringing about happiness. Hard to design. 

A less provoking, pushing way could be to teach about human pain, environmental problems and how capitalism, materialism and overconsumption is taking a big toll on the world, and how it is an unsustainable trajectory that needs to change, sooner than later. Introduction to interconnectedness and belonging, acceptance of one's weaknesses and feelings, introduce mindfulness and the exploration of self. 

There would still have to be the painful aspect to it, suffering through experiencing proxy, for a moment, and brought back to safety for consolidation, taking progressive steps into the unknown and letting values shift and understanding grows. 

This might work for children who are not as ridgid in their beliefs as grown ups, but who not already green or beyond would send their children to something like this, and those beyond wouldn't need to as they're likely to grow into green by the ongoing psychosocial programming happening through that parenting. 

Conformation and reconfirmation camps? Sounds border line abusive and involuntary based. 

I think rather this would work for orange with emerging greens to accelerate and reinforce that emerging worldview of green, happening from free will based on already shown interest.

Slip LSD into the morning  coffee? 

Got be thinking about A Clockwork Orange. 

The reasonable facilitation of growth is through gaining understanding of someone's edge behaviors, the breakpoint between the safety of the familiar and the emerging experiences, then design circumstances to incorporate small movements towards and beyond that edge. 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Eph75

[Windappreciator]

Well you would first have to find a way to gather stage orange into a camp together without them judging it as some useless hippie bs.

I have yet to find a way for general stage orangers that is non-offensive, non-official that is of course. 

Although I know some, not fully fair of me to say that.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Windappreciator

[DocWatts]

While you might be able to sell people at Orange on some of the surface elements of Green by presenting arguments for it on Orange's own terms (ie "Ecologically sustainable businesses are more profitable!" Or "The Materialism paradigm is actually bad science"), generally speaking people move from one value Meme to another because thier current paradigm isn't working for them.

Perhaps they are feeling emotionally unfulfilled, or thier value Meme is causing them dysfunction in thier lives. Or maybe they came face to face with one of the ugly realities of thier worldview (such as economic exploitation), and that causes them to have an existential crisis. Or perhaps their life circumstances changed, and they now find themselves a wage slave confronted with the brutal realities of what life is like for a poor person. Perhaps they do some psychedelics, and have an experience which causes them to start questioning the assumptions behind thier Materialist Reductionism paradigm.

To put it mildly, moving from one paradigm to another is a really big deal, and not something that can be undertaken without a serious reexamination of one's basic sense of Self Identity.

Edited June 22, 2021 by DocWatts

[John Paul]

Do y'all know of anything that exists now (not a camp) that is designed to get orange specifically to expand a bit? besides this site that's obvious

Edited June 22, 2021 by John Paul
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[John Paul]

Maybe it's better to have a summer(not summer) camp for kids and to teach values in a very powerful way that will teach green and all of the colors and will stick with them for a long time. @Eph75

[Eph75]

@John Paul

Yes, but I think you lost a bit of you initial purpose right? To facilitate an acceleration of development with a group otherwise not likely to make the move to green, or who will take a long time to move to green? 

If I was orange and wanted my kids to grow up responsible and successful, I'd not send them to "hippie camp" and instead get them to realize that to make it in the world you have to work hard, work smart, get a job and accumulate funds so that you can afford a good life, i.e. a job and start building work ethics, possibly entrepreneurship. 

If I was orange/green I'd would possible consider such a camp, and that would accelerate green integration in my kids. But they would already have some, and continue to embody, green values. 

It'd still have a purpose I suppose. Just shifting purpose. Raises the question, what is it really that you want to achieve? 

For something like this to have real value though I think it would have to be a yellow camp, for green integration, navigating around the unheathy green aspects that we see a lot of, and lay way into healthy green themes/perspectives for faster movement into yellow. A lot of unhealthy green is a distraction and just happens by following others, healthy green views in the same direction is moreso about coaching and focusing direction on constructive positivism than it is breaking someone's ideological stance as it would with other stages, unless that green has already become ideological green. 

Green transition to yellow doesn't have to be as painful as the transitions between other stages, as it's less about letting go as it is to redefine existence, and in a sense the adding a constructiveness on top of the green value base. So with the right guidence and careful design of activities (yellow flavored green-ism) this should be possible to make quite powerful, especially with kids young enough to not having become ideological already, and rigid/dogmatic in their beliefs. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Eph75

[Matt23]

Give them all the sex, food, parties, and worldly pleasures they can take until they exhaust themselves and no longer want anything to do with stage orange.  

Or, if they want meat, make them have to kill the animals themselves.  That might engender some shifts in their psyches and value systems.

You could also give them a butt-load of psychedelics and make them watch documentaries about climate change, the evils of capitalism, and the sweat shops their Nikes come from

Edited June 23, 2021 by Matt23