A question about remembering & waking up

[roopepa]

So... In order to experience one's true self, one first has to forget the true self and mistake oneself as something else.

This is the only thing for the Absolute Nature "to do" with it's infinite 'time' and being.

And here I am, in a world of this and that, right and wrong, loss and gain, losing and winning, pain and pleasure... etc. The delusion.

Correct?

But when one remembers... How can one still "stay", or keep experiencing, but not mistaking? How is it possible that one can remember and then forget again, awaken and "come back"? How is it possible that you may ingest DMT and such, and still "come down"?

Can one still "play" after one remembers and doesn't mistake it anymore?

I quess I'm just afraid that it's all going to end.

@Leo Gura @allislove @Nahm 

[allislove]

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And here I am, in a world of this and that, right and wrong, loss and gain, losing and winning, pain and pleasure... etc. The delusion.

Correct?

roopepa's body is in a world, not you, you are the whole world (including the body).

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But when one remembers... How can one still "stay", or keep experiencing, but not mistaking? How is it possible that one can remember and then forget again, awaken and "come back"? How is it possible that you may ingest DMT and such, and still "come down"?

Come back to noticing yourself again and again, and again until it clicks or not. Whatever comes & goes is not it, you are permanent, that spawns all the impermanence.

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Can one still "play" after one remembers and doesn't mistake it anymore?

Surely, @Nahm is a living example.   

But then there is no play and one... just lila.

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I quess I'm just afraid that it's all going to end.

Just wonder who is that "I" that is afraid, there is no fear without this mysterious "I", find the source of "I"-thought. ?

[roopepa]

1 hour ago, allislove said:

roopepa's body is in a world, not you, you are the whole world (including the body).

Come back to noticing yourself again and again, and again until it clicks or not. Whatever comes & goes is not it, you are permanent, that spawns all the impermanence.

Surely, @Nahm is a living example.   

But then there is no play and one... just lila.

Just wonder who is that "I" that is afraid, there is no fear without this mysterious "I", find the source of "I"-thought. ?

Thank you much ?

[allislove]

@roopepa any time my friend. The path may seem hard, but once the identification with "I"-thought lessens it's easier and easier... keep going  

[Nahm]

@allislove Oh stop. 

@roopepa

6 hours ago, roopepa said:

So... In order to experience one's true self, one first has to forget the true self and mistake oneself as something else.

No. The perspective of the inquiry has an a priori misnomer / assumption / illusory hindsight hijacking & projection / misunderstanding at it’s origination, or presupposition. The enlightened one can never experience itself because it is the infinite enlightened one. Remembering, or self realization if you will, is not some kind of reward, achievement or accomplishment for someone, which required or requires ambition, dedication, practices, trips, or anything else whatsoever on someone’s behalf - but conditioning (and really, ignorant yet innocent spiritual propaganda) and the believing of, make it seem so. You are the only authority. If you’ve overextended there, reel it on back home.

The enlightened one can stop thinking & speaking from the perspective of ‘a separate self’ anytime it wants. Silence is always an option. ‘It’ is already and always aware of these thoughts which seem to veil itself from itself leading to the circumventive belief it could experience itself. It is aware of this idea or conceptualization of itself without exception. It is felt. There is literally no one nor no thing preventing this whatsoever, in either case. If there is, or if it seems there is rather, the enlightened one is doing / believing / saying that - right now. So ‘it’s’ not saying ‘that’… it’s whatever’s being said now - it’s ‘this’ - not a ‘that’ (some thought or experience in a past or future). Again, not believing / saying this is always an option.  Sometimes ‘that’ (the separate self with a past) arises from a hindsight hijacking after a glimpse, a glimpse being that there is no second separate self and there never was, and the ‘hijacking’ essentially being the believing of the yet to be inspected beliefs / thoughts resuming such that there is a separate self who is the one who had the glimpse, or, ‘experienced one’s true self’. Aka ‘the knower’ or ‘spiritual ego’. Those are pointers, not separate entities the enlightened one actually becomes. ‘It’ is that thought, not “that entity”. 

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This is the only thing for the Absolute Nature "to do" with it's infinite 'time' and being.

The enlightened one does by never doing, there is no ‘forgetting on purpose’ for some ‘reason’, be it a problem or “infinite time”. This implies there is some afterlife, some other realm, etc, which sucks in some way compared to ‘this one’. There are not these two ‘places’. “That one” is “this one”.  You can be, do & have anything you want, and you are right now. ‘And here we are’, as they say.

There is absolutely NO ‘catch’. No ‘you’ can not and does not lose no “thing” - you - awareness of ‘thoughts’, stops believing the thoughts that there are or were separate things. The “suffering of infinite being” narratives like loneliness, some desire to forget itself etc, is innocent egoic ballyhoo. Love does not have an opposite. Love does not “think”. Love be’s thoughts. 

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And here I am, in a world of this and that, right and wrong, loss and gain, losing and winning, pain and pleasure... etc. The delusion.

Correct?

That you are separate, and or not loved, loving, and love itself, is the only relevant delusion. Delusion is not cognitive because there is no separate mind which could be deluded. It is felt. It is feeling (unconditional love) ‘saying’ - I’m right here. 

Had you said, “there seems to be this & that, right & wrong, loss & gain, losing & winning, pain & pleasure”… the answer would be simple - those are thoughts, not separate things. Not even separate experiences. But when you included “here I am”, that is a belief of identification. Take a look… where exactly ‘you’ believing ‘you’ are? “Not there”, perhaps? Here & there, also thoughts. Thoughts are things, and you are all “things”, via vibrational appearance. You are nowhere right now appearing as somewhere. 

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But when one remembers...

“One remembers” is only a pointer. There is no one which remembers. Remember = already are the enlightened one, not - remembered you are the enlightened one. It really is the darndest ‘thing’. 

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How can one still "stay", or keep experiencing, but not mistaking?

One who experiences can not, because that is a thought, a belief. The enlightened one is. In the concession sense, to “the one who recognizes”…recognizing nonsense via the ever present infinite sensational guidance of feeling / unconditional love. The guided is the guide. 

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How is it possible that one can remember and then forget again, awaken and "come back"? How is it possible that you may ingest DMT and such, and still "come down"?

It’s not possible because there is not that separate self. That there is one which remembers or one which awakens or awakened and comes back again is just a thought. Repeated, a belief. Shared, self image. Heard & believed, a dogma. It’s a thought which arises in the ‘only time’ there ever is - right now - and is believed. Careful not to rope DMT into such a belief as well, as that could be very confusing. In the strictest sense, all so called experiences are the whole of experience, and all experience is in actuality the enlightened one, and psychedelics have absolutely nothing more to do with enlightenment than a mailbox. Paradoxically, a psychedelic will not help a who realize this, but they do help God spot beliefs rather easily. 

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Can one still "play" after one remembers and doesn't mistake it anymore?

No because there isn’t that one. This is your place man. This is your reality. It’s ALL you. Playing could loosely be said to be the whole point. If there is suffering, you’re doin it. If there is seriousness, you’re doin it. Never someone else, regardless of how it may seem or what might be believed. You’re already playing right now, we are already the enlightened one playing together right now. This is it. This is what it looks like. Try to ‘not play’, and you’re playing ‘not playing’. 

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I quess I'm just afraid that it's all going to end.

There is no “I which is afraid”. The thought doesn’t make sense (feel great) because it is nonsense. Always listen to the guidance of feeling well and above what anyone says / what you think or believe. Let it go. How? Focus on anything else, and or ‘reach for a better feeling thought’. 

You (the enlightened one) have a thought, you don’t like how it feels, you believe it anyways & play the separate self, the knower, the one who is right, the one who was wronged, the one who was or is hurt, etc, and you make up that there is “fear” to label & suppress away the very emotion / feeling / guidance sought - and thus you create suffering (and a bit of karma to purify / empty out). No one else feels this suffering, only you, literally & absolutely.

(Some tones here are for desired effect)

[allislove]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

@allislove Oh stop. 

Unstoppable ???

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

 

@roopepa

No. The perspective of the inquiry has an a priori misnomer / assumption / illusory hindsight hijacking & projection / misunderstanding at it’s origination, or presupposition. The enlightened one can never experience itself because it is the infinite enlightened one. Remembering, or self realization if you will, is not some kind of reward, achievement or accomplishment for someone, which required or requires ambition, dedication, practices, trips, or anything else whatsoever on someone’s behalf - but conditioning (and really, ignorant yet innocent spiritual propaganda) and the believing of, make it seem so. You are the only authority. If you’ve overextended there, reel it on back home.

The enlightened one can stop thinking & speaking from the perspective of ‘a separate self’ anytime it wants. Silence is always an option. ‘It’ is already and always aware of these thoughts which seem to veil itself from itself leading to the circumventive belief it could experience itself. It is aware of this idea or conceptualization of itself without exception. It is felt. There is literally no one nor no thing preventing this whatsoever, in either case. If there is, or if it seems there is rather, the enlightened one is doing / believing / saying that - right now. So ‘it’s’ not saying ‘that’… it’s whatever’s being said now - it’s ‘this’ - not a ‘that’ (some thought or experience in a past or future). Again, not believing / saying this is always an option.  Sometimes ‘that’ (the separate self with a past) arises from a hindsight hijacking after a glimpse, a glimpse being that there is no second separate self and there never was, and the ‘hijacking’ essentially being the believing of the yet to be inspected beliefs / thoughts resuming such that there is a separate self who is the one who had the glimpse, or, ‘experienced one’s true self’. Aka ‘the knower’ or ‘spiritual ego’. Those are pointers, not separate entities the enlightened one actually becomes. ‘It’ is that thought, not “that entity”. 

The enlightened one does by never doing, there is no ‘forgetting on purpose’ for some ‘reason’, be it a problem or “infinite time”. This implies there is some afterlife, some other realm, etc, which sucks in some way compared to ‘this one’. There are not these two ‘places’. “That one” is “this one”.  You can be, do & have anything you want, and you are right now. ‘And here we are’, as they say.

There is absolutely NO ‘catch’. No ‘you’ can not and does not lose no “thing” - you - awareness of ‘thoughts’, stops believing the thoughts that there are or were separate things. The “suffering of infinite being” narratives like loneliness, some desire to forget itself etc, is innocent egoic ballyhoo. Love does not have an opposite. Love does not “think”. Love be’s thoughts. 

That you are separate, and or not loved, loving, and love itself, is the only relevant delusion. Delusion is not cognitive because there is no separate mind which could be deluded. It is felt. It is feeling (unconditional love) ‘saying’ - I’m right here. 

Had you said, “there seems to be this & that, right & wrong, loss & gain, losing & winning, pain & pleasure”… the answer would be simple - those are thoughts, not separate things. Not even separate experiences. But when you included “here I am”, that is a belief of identification. Take a look… where exactly ‘you’ believing ‘you’ are? “Not there”, perhaps? Here & there, also thoughts. Thoughts are things, and you are all “things”, via vibrational appearance. You are nowhere right now appearing as somewhere. 

“One remembers” is only a pointer. There is no one which remembers. Remember = already are the enlightened one, not - remembered you are the enlightened one. It really is the darndest ‘thing’. 

One who experiences can not, because that is a thought, a belief. The enlightened one is. In the concession sense, to “the one who recognizes”…recognizing nonsense via the ever present infinite sensational guidance of feeling / unconditional love. The guided is the guide. 

It’s not possible because there is not that separate self. That there is one which remembers or one which awakens or awakened and comes back again is just a thought. Repeated, a belief. Shared, self image. Heard & believed, a dogma. It’s a thought which arises in the ‘only time’ there ever is - right now - and is believed. Careful not to rope DMT into such a belief as well, as that could be very confusing. In the strictest sense, all so called experiences are the whole of experience, and all experience is in actuality the enlightened one, and psychedelics have absolutely nothing more to do with enlightenment than a mailbox. Paradoxically, a psychedelic will not help a who realize this, but they do help God spot beliefs rather easily. 

No because there isn’t that one. This is your place man. This is your reality. It’s ALL you. Playing could loosely be said to be the whole point. If there is suffering, you’re doin it. If there is seriousness, you’re doin it. Never someone else, regardless of how it may seem or what might be believed. You’re already playing right now, we are already the enlightened one playing together right now. This is it. This is what it looks like. Try to ‘not play’, and you’re playing ‘not playing’. 

There is no “I which is afraid”. The thought doesn’t make sense (feel great) because it is nonsense. Always listen to the guidance of feeling well and above what anyone says / what you think or believe. Let it go. How? Focus on anything else, and or ‘reach for a better feeling thought’. 

You (the enlightened one) have a thought, you don’t like how it feels, you believe it anyways & play the separate self, the knower, the one who is right, the one who was wronged, the one who was or is hurt, etc, and you make up that there is “fear” to label & suppress away the very emotion / feeling / guidance sought - and thus you create suffering (and a bit of karma to purify / empty out). No one else feels this suffering, only you, literally & absolutely.

(Some tones here are for desired effect)

What a great write up! 

[roopepa]

@Nahm
 

?? Much appreciated

 

[Nahm]

@roopepa

Likewise, thank you. 

[roopepa]

@allislove @Nahm Assuming true self is Love...

On 6/19/2021 at 4:37 PM, roopepa said:

In order to experience one's true self, one first has to forget the true self and mistake oneself as something else.

These are conditions. Hence, not true self.

Case closed 

[allislove]

1 hour ago, roopepa said:

@allislove @Nahm Assuming true self is Love...

These are conditions. Hence, not true self.

Case closed 

??????

And yet, there is only true self ?