who are you and what is consciousness

[gettoefl]

for definition sake, consciousness/god means 100% awareness, awareness is the dial that lessens or increases consciousness

all around you sits varying levels of awareness in animate and inanimate objects

consciousness allows itself to be diluted in order to create and taste this cake called the universe

ego is the term used for that which dilutes your consciousness

ego is one false belief: i am a piece of the cake separate from the rest of the cake

in fact, it is consciousness that is playing all the parts is all the pieces of the cake

you think you are doing stuff as an autonomous separate entity, but you are wrong, it is consciousness all along

so when people say the word "you", ask them which "you" they are referring to

for example, are you enlightened?

if you mean you as ego that is the false self of course i am not, there is no false self so how can it be enlightened

if you mean you as the true self that i am sure i am in light end of the spectrum, enlightened as you say, that is all that is

remember you have 2 identities a false one and a true one, which one are you? well just quit the false already

 

any thoughts on this?

Edited June 16, 2021 by gettoefl

[Godishere]

36 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

so when people say the word "you", ask them which "you" they are referring to

for example, are you enlightened?

if you mean you as ego that is the false self of course i am not, there is no false self so how can it be enlightened

I always assumed the term enlightened - in a spiritual context referred to the ego or the self which was aware of it's true nature. And then various gradations of understanding from there. But the fundamental awareness has been altered. So if someone asks are you enlightened? Are you aware of your true nature.

 

[gettoefl]

12 minutes ago, Godishere said:

I always assumed the term enlightened - in a spiritual context referred to the ego or the self which was aware of it's true nature. And then various gradations of understanding from there. But the fundamental awareness has been altered. So if someone asks are you enlightened? Are you aware of your true nature.

 

i would say gradations or level's is obfuscation by ego trying to keep itself alive ... you are awake or you are asleep

enlightenment means you know the truth, it is a one time thing

problem arises if you sorta kinda know it from hearing / reading but that again is ego keeping itself alive, if you know it it is unquestionable and no debate or doubt will follow

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

i would say gradations or level's is obfuscation by ego trying to keep itself alive ... you are awake or you are asleep

enlightenment means you know the truth, it is a one time thing

what is that truth: that there is no one home

problem arises if you sorta kinda know it from hearing / reading but that again is ego keeping itself alive, if you know it it is unquestionable and no debate or doubt will follow

 

[RMQualtrough]

"You" is a completely arbitrary label that we apply to what even in a Materialist sense is nothing more than a relay of action and reaction... When experienceD exists there is an experienceR. There must be, as experience is made of two parts.

We say that I see, I taste, I hear.

But on examination you will see why it does not really make sense in a Materialist paradigm: When we see does the ENTIRE BODY see? Does the entire BRAIN see? Does only the eye see? Does only the visual cortex see? Where do we draw the line...

And when hearing is happening, does the entire brain hear? Only the ear? Only whichever part of the brain deals with sound?

If there are distinct elements sensing these things then there is not really a singular "self" from that paradigm. If there is one singular unchanging self that experiences all of these things despite the actual sense happening in separate locations in space, then we may begin to get an idea on consciousness as a whole.

The people who undergo the surgery that splits the brain hemispheres also provide important insight.

Edited June 16, 2021 by RMQualtrough

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, RMQualtrough said:

"You" is a completely arbitrary label that we apply to what even in a Materialist sense is nothing more than a relay of action and reaction... When experienceD exists there is an experienceR. There must be, as experience is made of two parts.

We say that I see, I taste, I hear.

But on examination you will see why it does not really make sense in a Materialist paradigm: When we see does the ENTIRE BODY see? Does the entire BRAIN see? Does only the eye see? Does only the visual cortex see? Where do we draw the line...

And when hearing is happening, does the entire brain hear? Only the ear? Only whichever part of the brain deals with sound?

If there are distinct elements sensing these things then there is not really a singular "self" from that paradigm. If there is one singular unchanging self that experiences all of these things despite the actual sense happening in separate locations in space, then we may begin to get an idea on consciousness as a whole.

The people who undergo the surgery that splits the brain hemispheres also provide important insight.

you is either the limited illusory you or the unlimited infinite you called consciousness, choose your side

no thinker is thinking thoughts rather the field of consciousness is conscious of content each moment in the eternal now

it is a creates-shows-registers-disappears-repeats never pausing machine if you will

 

[RMQualtrough]

@gettoefl And yet I find that when I have a blood test done I can't help but fear the needle! Isn't it strange. I can know that fundamentally, the sense of the needle is not my true nature (rather, an impermanent fleeting thing), yet it still causes distress.

[gettoefl]

49 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

@gettoefl And yet I find that when I have a blood test done I can't help but fear the needle! Isn't it strange. I can know that fundamentally, the sense of the needle is not my true nature (rather, an impermanent fleeting thing), yet it still causes distress.

it is a good pointer that each day we fight to overcome eons of conditioning and programming

we cannot snap our fingers and have it be over with no matter how conscious we are

i also know that much of what we confront day to day is the resolving of past karma, being non reactive helps to be finished with it

[RMQualtrough]

@gettoefl How do you personally think about physical pain? I assume you still feel it. There was an Idealist philosopher some time in the past, and he was mocked by his peers by them saying something like "you say matter isn't real until I throw a brick at your head".

Even materialists of course must believe that the pain itself is not real (they think it is a feeling made in the brain). But yet in either case, still, there it is.

It is easy to feel that everything is not what I really am until a needle is stuck in my arm.

[AdamR95]

9 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

@gettoefl How do you personally think about physical pain? I assume you still feel it. There was an Idealist philosopher some time in the past, and he was mocked by his peers by them saying something like "you say matter isn't real until I throw a brick at your head".

Even materialists of course must believe that the pain itself is not real (they think it is a feeling made in the brain). But yet in either case, still, there it is.

It is easy to feel that everything is not what I really am until a needle is stuck in my arm.

Pain is real, but its not that bad as an ego makes us believe.

[gettoefl]

12 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

@gettoefl How do you personally think about physical pain? I assume you still feel it. There was an Idealist philosopher some time in the past, and he was mocked by his peers by them saying something like "you say matter isn't real until I throw a brick at your head".

Even materialists of course must believe that the pain itself is not real (they think it is a feeling made in the brain). But yet in either case, still, there it is.

It is easy to feel that everything is not what I really am until a needle is stuck in my arm.

the masters don't even need anesthetic during surgery

as for me i tell myself i am ready for death but i still squirm when i see uncomfortable things on my screen, feel great pain specially when it is others