Death reveals who you really are

[Someone here]

The man I was, no longer “IS” and the man I might be, not yet here, so whom is it that dies at the moment of death?

The memories stored in the brain will disappear as the cells die and our self identity is based on those memories of passed events. The past events themselves have already ceased to exist, so it may not be said that the past dies at the moment of our death. Certainly all future potential dies at the moment of death, but how can that which is not yet born, be said to die?

[kinesin]

Think of it from your own mother's perspective, and you'll have half of the answer.

[VeganAwake]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

The man I was, no longer “IS” and the man I might be, not yet here, so whom is it that dies at the moment of death?

Death is the biggest problem for the sense of self. ?

When the body/mind dies, the ability of the illusions go as well.

There won't even be the slightest inkling of existence.

And I know that's the last thing the sense of self wants to hear.

It will reject this message.

❤

 

Edited June 5, 2021 by VeganAwake

[Someone here]

The false you will die. All misidentification with the body and perceptions.  You can destroy all forms but you cannot destroy the formless.  If nothing remains after death.. That means you were nothing from the get go. Death will reveal who you are. Whataver is left after death is who you really are. 

Edited June 5, 2021 by Someone here

[Terell Kirby]

Yes you hit on the nail with the death of the FALSE self. Once you discover your true nature through ego death, you realize death is illusory in the Absolute sense. Such a beautiful realization.

[kinesin]

For all the talk of 'false self' and 'ego', you guys seem to be interpreting death solely from the perspective of the self.  Of course from the perspective of the self death is an illusion which never happens - after all how can the self even observe its own death if it isn't around to see it?  It's like trying to touch your own shadow.

This is only one side of death, however.  When I asked earlier to consider your death from the perspective of your own mother, I was suggesting that as a serious practice you can do.  Dream and reality are inherently linked - it isn't 100% real and it isn't 100% dream, but both simultaneously.  If you contemplate your own death from the perspective of your mother, the only conclusion you can possibly reach is that from such a perspective, death is undeniably absolutely real.

[Javfly33]

On 5/6/2021 at 5:14 PM, VeganAwake said:

Death is the biggest problem for the sense of self. ?

When the body/mind dies, the ability of the illusions go as well.

There won't even be the slightest inkling of existence.

And I know that's the last thing the sense of self wants to hear.

It will reject this message.

❤

 

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[Someone here]

4 hours ago, kinesin said:

For all the talk of 'false self' and 'ego', you guys seem to be interpreting death solely from the perspective of the self.  Of course from the perspective of the self death is an illusion which never happens - after all how can the self even observe its own death if it isn't around to see it?  It's like trying to touch your own shadow.

This is only one side of death, however.  When I asked earlier to consider your death from the perspective of your own mother, I was suggesting that as a serious practice you can do.  Dream and reality are inherently linked - it isn't 100% real and it isn't 100% dream, but both simultaneously.  If you contemplate your own death from the perspective of your mother, the only conclusion you can possibly reach is that from such a perspective, death is undeniably absolutely real.

Death of the human self is real. But The human self is imaginary. You die many times in your life every time your personality changes a little bit. You are not born as a self.. You are born as a body. The self is a figment of your imagination. What was never born can never die. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Someone here

[kinesin]

@Someone here  When you say the word 'imaginary', I get the impression that you might also be saying 'irrelevant' or 'unimportant'

Rather than me trying to communicate to you directly, do you mind if I give you a little exercise?  I want you to write at least a paragraph, maybe 2, detailing how your mother would respond to your death, conceptually and emotionally.  Embody her perspective (imaginary though it may be) and write about how real or unreal her feelings of loss would be and how the rest of her life might change.  What would she say about the suggestion that nothing was actually lost, and that you were imaginary all along?  Be as honest as possible - really try to get into her mindset.

[Breakingthewall]

On 6/6/2021 at 0:56 AM, Someone here said:

If nothing remains after death.. That means you were nothing from the get go.

Exactly. If you look at yourself from the point of view of death, you will see that your "I", your sense of yourself, never existed. it was a mirage. but being, existence, cannot not be. what happens is that it is impersonal, empty. 

[Someone here]

@kinesin she will be sad and mad. That's obvious.  Because my body-mind isn't here anymore. 

But that's the mistaken identity. What if she were conscious enough to recognize that I wasn't my body mind in the first place?