Why do you socialise?

[thisintegrated]

Everything is perfect.  Conversation can only bring you down.  It's one of the problems I'm working on.  Silence/nothingness is perfection, and anything else activates the ego mind.  I feel it clearly.  As soon as I type anything, I automatically connect to my memories, who I am, why I'm typing, what kind of responses I can expect, what kind of writing style I should use, etc.  I mean, I feel I can sometimes maintain "god-mode" around others, but talking makes this very hard.  To type this right now, I am having to go to a lower level of consciousness, yet, I'm kind of addicted to it.

When I grow up a bit more, I expect I'll completely abandon such forums, and videos like those of Leo's.  The only reason I'm here right now is because I'm still stupid, and keep forgetting I'm god.  But why is everyone else here?!  I see some people here with thousands of posts!  Why are they still here?!  I'm, also, curious why @Leo Gura is still doing this.  As much as I love the Turquoise level vids (I really love them), I can't quite understand the motivation behind them.  Where does it come from?  Does it come from ego? Some desire to feel like you're doing good/valuable work? 

Last time I was in "god-mode", I understood clearly why good teachers don't stick around for long.  And now I notice I don't really wanna teach anyone, that would just seem incredibly stupid and childish.  I don't even like to theorize too much anymore, again, the best word I can think of to use here is.. "childish".

Why do you, @Leo Gura, stick around?  And for how long will you?  Is it because of Love?  Because you have to do something?

Why not just watch anime all day?

 

Edit:

I'm an idiot.  Why do I ask when the answer just comes to me, lol.  It can all be found within.  (Maybe I just like to pretend I don't have all the answers because it makes me feel less.. alone.. idk.)  Now we come back to the title question.  WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS?!  I didn't need to make this thread, I only did so out of pure stupidity and ego!  But I am hoping Leo (or anyone else) can offer some insight I haven't yet discovered.  

 

As much as I wish there was a place for me on this forum, everyone must take their leave at some point  : )

Edited May 31, 2021 by thisintegrated

[BipolarGrowth]

10 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Everything is perfect.  Conversation can only bring you down.  It's one of the problems I'm working on.  Silence/nothingness is perfection, and anything else activates the ego mind.  I feel it clearly.  As soon as I type anything, I automatically connect to my memories, who I am, why I'm typing, what kind of responses I can expect, what kind of writing style I should use, etc.  I mean, I feel I can sometimes maintain "god-mode" around others, but talking makes this very hard.  To type this right now, I am having to go to a lower level of consciousness, yet, I'm kind of addicted to it.

When I grow up a bit more, I expect I'll completely abandon such forums, and videos like those of Leo's.  The only reason I'm here right now is because I'm still stupid, and keep forgetting I'm god.  But why is everyone else here?!  I see some people here with thousands of posts!  Why are they still here?!  I'm, also, curious why @Leo Gura is still doing this.  As much as I love the Turquoise level vids (I really love them), I can't quite understand the motivation behind them.  Where does it come from?  Does it come from ego? Some desire to feel like you're doing good/valuable work? 

Last time I was in "god-mode", I understood clearly why good teachers don't stick around for long.  And now I notice I don't really wanna teach anyone, that would just seem incredibly stupid and childish.  I don't even like to theorize too much anymore, again, the best word I can think of to use here is.. "childish".

Why do you, @Leo Gura, stick around?  And for how long will you?  Is it because of Love?  Because you have to do something?

Why not just watch anime all day?

 

Edit:

I'm an idiot.  Why do I ask when the answer just comes to me, lol.  It can all be found within.  (Maybe I just like to pretend I don't have all the answers because it makes me feel less.. alone.. idk.)  Now we come back to the title question.  WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS?!  I didn't need to make this thread, I only did so out of pure stupidity and ego!  But I am hoping Leo (or anyone else) can offer some insight I haven't yet discovered.  

 

As much as I wish there was a place for me on this forum, everyone must take their leave at some point  : (

Why is there such an issue with ego? It’s the whole point... Everything isn’t perfect if you’re looking down at your ego. That is disintegration. 

[thisintegrated]

17 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Why is there such an issue with ego? It’s the whole point... Everything isn’t perfect if you’re looking down at your ego. That is disintegration. 

"The whole point"?  Well, it's part of it, but I wouldn't say the whole.  The ego just helps with the early stages of survival.  Beyond that, it's of no help.  It's just an illusion that the under-developed, like us, are subject to.  There is no merit in oversleeping.

Edited May 31, 2021 by thisintegrated

[BipolarGrowth]

4 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

"The whole point"?  Well, it's part of it, but I wouldn't say the whole.  The ego just helps with the early stages of survival.  Beyond that, it's of no help.  It's just an illusion that the under-developed, like us, are subject to.  There is no merit in oversleeping.

Well it’s kind of like saying the Ring was the whole point of the Lord of the Rings... I mean it was, and it was way more complicated than that also. But you’re really misunderstanding the ego’s role or at least what it could be. The power of belief can melt your whole reality. It’s not something to be discarded entirely. It can be used as a tool for further development if you’re able to master believing in something without losing your senses to it. 

[thisintegrated]

26 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Well it’s kind of like saying the Ring was the whole point of the Lord of the Rings... I mean it was, and it was way more complicated than that also. But you’re really misunderstanding the ego’s role or at least what it could be. The power of belief can melt your whole reality. It’s not something to be discarded entirely. It can be used as a tool for further development if you’re able to master believing in something without losing your senses to it. 

As a tool for development?  And just what are we developing here?  The ego?  So the ego is a tool for further ego development?

Edited May 31, 2021 by thisintegrated

[Hello from Russia]

You seem to be demonizing ego way too much, which is kinda unholistic. Why not celebrate both no-self and the ego?

[BipolarGrowth]

25 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

As a tool for development?  And just what are we developing here?  The ego?  So the ego is a tool for further ego development?

You are developing tools to use to transcend the ego and previous limits. Your ego has been behind this entire spiritual process. Even once you awaken to No-Self, an ego still operates. There’s still much more territory to cover if you wish to continue past that point, and you’re going to need to work with your ego’s patterns to have any intentional change. 

[thisintegrated]

10 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

You seem to be demonizing ego way too much, which is kinda unholistic. Why not celebrate both no-self and the ego?

I like your attitude  : )

I don't demonize it.  I just recognize its limitations.  Ego = fear.  In other definitions it's a "sense of self".  I think there's value in kids having an ego.  It helps create for unique experiences.  But once someone's grown up, it's just childish keeping up the fantasy, especially when all it does it cause suffering.  Maybe there's a component of personal preference to this too.

All I know is, I have no use for it.  And ego of the "fear" definition is, I'd argue, universally a bad thing.  I occasionally get to be god, and it's quite nice, if I do say so myself.

[thisintegrated]

1 minute ago, BipolarGrowth said:

You are developing tools to use to transcend the ego and previous limits. Your ego has been behind this entire spiritual process. Even once you awaken to No-Self, an ego still operates. There’s still much more territory to cover if you wish to continue past that point, and you’re going to need to work with your ego’s patterns to have any intentional change. 

Interesting stance.  Not one I agree with.

To which definition of ego do you subscribe to?  And what is this territory you speak of?  I'll most likely be familiar with any specifics you have in mind.

 

If you meant "work through the ego to get rid of the fear", that's no different to what I've been saying.

[JosephKnecht]

4 hours ago, thisintegrated said:

As much as I love the Turquoise level vids (I really love them), I can't quite understand the motivation behind them.  Where does it come from?  Does it come from ego? Some desire to feel like you're doing good/valuable work? 

Socialization is an attempt to maintain one's sanity. 

One is considered sane as long as One is going along with the consensual reality. The only way to establish consensual reality is through socialization and evaluation of what the Other consider to be sane.

Sometimes the consensual reality becomes completely insane (ex. think of concentration camps in Auschwitz), but as long as you hold the majority view of your society, you are considered sane.  

Talking with others is how you keep yourself grounded in reality. 

[Epikur]

@thisintegrated

I feel like every post should have an intro as your opening post. The ego noice is very loud in most posts. That is why I suggested to post only after a certain amount of meditation and workout.

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[PhilGR]

I'm not very experienced as others in the group but , I understand things. For my perspective you over stressing the topic and it backfires to you. Try just accepting that you have an ego and there is a reason to be there. Socializing is nice with all types of people because it gives you other perspectives. Take life as journey and live it with passion. Your opinions right now sound narrow , cold and all this denial it brings me negativity/arrogance vibes. Try to work more with your psychology. Do you think Leo and others are stupid to discuss in this forums? Socializing and helping is good because we are still humans. Live your Life bro!

 

Peace and Love , don't misunderstand me , I don't want to sound offensive.

[thisintegrated]

4 hours ago, PhilGR said:

I'm not very experienced as others in the group but , I understand things. For my perspective you over stressing the topic and it backfires to you. Try just accepting that you have an ego and there is a reason to be there. Socializing is nice with all types of people because it gives you other perspectives. Take life as journey and live it with passion. Your opinions right now sound narrow , cold and all this denial it brings me negativity/arrogance vibes. Try to work more with your psychology. Do you think Leo and others are stupid to discuss in this forums? Socializing and helping is good because we are still humans. Live your Life bro!

 

Peace and Love , don't misunderstand me , I don't want to sound offensive.

Leo is the one who likes to use the word "stupid", if you've watched his videos.  And I think its use is appropriate.  I've lived all my life as the ego, like everyone else.  The moments of godhood I have seem like the way forward; using the ego feels like going to sleep.  If living from the ego were the way forward, that would mean all the gurus, everyone who's found enlightenment, are the ones doing it wrong, and those who indulge in satisfying their human needs are the ones doing it right.

The ego is a delusion anyway, why go to such lengths to maintain it?

[Danioover9000]

   Go and have conversations then.

[thisintegrated]

10 hours ago, JosephKnecht said:

Socialization is an attempt to maintain one's sanity. 

One is considered sane as long as One is going along with the consensual reality. The only way to establish consensual reality is through socialization and evaluation of what the Other consider to be sane.

Sometimes the consensual reality becomes completely insane (ex. think of concentration camps in Auschwitz), but as long as you hold the majority view of your society, you are considered sane.  

Talking with others is how you keep yourself grounded in reality. 

Interesting response.

I guess you're saying it's "to maintain the ego".  Talking keeps the ego alive.  Silence allows for the illusion to drop, for you to become god, and to become insane from the perspective of onlookers.

[thisintegrated]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Go and have conversations then.

Seems you've misunderstood something.

[Gili Trawangan]

23 hours ago, thisintegrated said:

Everything is perfect.

The rest of your post sounds quite judgmental. Guess where that's coming from... yeah, the ego. And that's not bad either. Once you really awaken to "everything is perfect", you realize that ego is a part of that perfection as well. Childish? Being child-like is one of the most wonderful states there is; this whole no-thing is play. A play needs players, characters, actors. Even if they are ultimately illusory.

[thisintegrated]

2 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

The rest of your post sounds quite judgmental. Guess where that's coming from... yeah, the ego. And that's not bad either. Once you really awaken to "everything is perfect", you realize that ego is a part of that perfection as well. Childish? Being child-like is one of the most wonderful states there is; this whole no-thing is play. A play needs players, characters, actors. Even if they are ultimately illusory.

Except that being "child-like", in this context, entails suffering.  

 

The rest of your post sounds quite judgmental. Guess where that's coming from... yeah, the ego. And that's not bad either. Once you really awaken to "everything is perfect", you realize that ego is a part of that perfection as well. Childish? Being child-like is one of the most wonderful states there is; this whole no-thing is play. A play needs players, characters, actors. Even if they are ultimately illusory.

[Gili Trawangan]

6 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Except that being "child-like", in this context, entails suffering.

Suffering only happens to 'I'. So, in this context, judgment is the suffering.

[thisintegrated]

3 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

Suffering only happens to 'I'. So, in this context, judgment is the suffering.

..which brings us back to my original point.  You're just agreeing with me without even realizing.

Edited June 1, 2021 by thisintegrated