What is it with Mahasamadhi?

[yetineti]

Firstly, I am not interested in Mahasamadhi itself, more so the thoughts around it on this forum.

I am also curious on the attitude of physical death and/or suicide I have noticed on this forum.

I am by no means suggesting these at all. Again, I am curious on the perspective of these things, here on the forum, not the things themselves.

Is it for liability reasons the dialogue is so back and forth on such topics as suicide, mahasamadhi, physical death, etc.?

Right after the mention of someone committing suicide and the specific and general warnings that followed, via one of the newest videos, I could not help but notice Leo telling someone the quickest way to end suffering is to kill yourself, on the forum. Or maybe he just said die; I may not be remembering correctly. 
 

Of course the specific context would change the meaning of what he said, yet either way it leads me to ask, what is the stance on physical death, killing yourself physically and Mahasamadhi on this forum?

Sometimes I hear something like ‘that’s not what we do here’ and other times it’s seems more welcomed than not.  

My impression is this has a lot to do with liability and it is hard to express here on the forum. It is probably quite difficult to articulate the ‘meaninglessness’ of the topics above while also portraying their severity and seriousness.

Edit/PS: I am seeking clarity on these subjects; not trying to accuse or give criticism. I love you all and it is not often I find a message that is not clear and concise from this community. So, when I do, here we are.

Edited May 29, 2021 by mw711

[Death_]

It was pretty stupid and will be waste of your time if you keep digging in this Mahasamadhi stuff.

Cut the noise out, don't get trapped in the noise. I got trapped for a while and it was a damn waste of time for me.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Death_

[BipolarGrowth]

No one here that I’ve ever seen has advocated for suicide. Leo has talked about death in a much less frightening and even pleasant way. This is common in plenty of other popular spiritual teachings. This helps people to lose fear and anxiety of death that eats away at their ability to live, but they can think of death as some shortcut too. This is not what Leo or anyone here is promoting. 
 

We ultimately understand death in a less confrontational way than materialists which allows us to speak more freely of it and with a less negative air, but I still don’t think even the most extreme person who visits here with any frequency would really want someone to intentionally end their life in the case of suicide. 
 

Mahasamadhi is not the exact same, but it isn’t really healthy to focus on that here. No one here is at that level of development to be able to make a conscious choice to spiritually leave the body. Leo explicitly said anyone who is that developed has no place on the forum essentially — at least it’s certain this applies to anyone wanting to teach it or promote it. 

[yetineti]

@Death_ This was about the perspective of Mahasamadhi, physical death and suicide on this forum - not Mahasamadhi. I do not care about Mahasamadhi.

Edited May 29, 2021 by mw711

[yetineti]

@BipolarGrowth I appreciate your thoughts on Mahasamadhi’s relationship to this forum. It makes sense now that it’s really just not something anyone clicking on a forum would really need to talk about lol. Just adds to the confusion.

Also I feel rather stupid. As someone who has not had a massive ego death, seeing a response like “you’d have to die” is a little unsettling. But it’s often mental/ego death discussed here and that’s likely all Leo was saying.

Scary framing though, especially if you do not realize he does not mean to commit suicide.

Nonetheless, it’s not wrong to say. Just a fine line and a lot of potential confusion assuming people do not realize their ideas have to die, not them physically.

Edited May 29, 2021 by mw711

[Death_]

@mw711 If you don't care about Mahasamadhi, then why do you want to know it?

 

[yetineti]

@Death_

I never said I want to know it. You are either fundamentally misunderstanding my post or trolling me.

45 minutes ago, mw711 said:

Firstly, I am not interested in Mahasamadhi itself, more so the thoughts around it on this forum.

 

[Death_]

@mw711 Yeah I may be misunderstanding this:- 

29 minutes ago, mw711 said:

@Death_ This was about the perspective of Mahasamadhi.

 

[yetineti]

@Death_ I see your confusion, let me clarify.

I meant

the perspective people on this forum have about mahasamadhi.

not

the perspective of the of people attempting mahasamadhi.

Gotta love language.

[NoSelfSelf]

Againts any kind of harming the body,first live 80,90 years of life and spirituality before even looking at this stuff its just a distraction...

[mandyjw]

One of the amazing things about Leo's work is how deeply and seriously he takes these topics. People who convince themselves to stay content with a conceptual non-dual understanding or by not realizing how "deep" this stuff goes or what a ride they are in for are often given a clue into the sheer amazing luck that they discovered this through Leo's videos.

However,

Leo occasionally uses terms that engage the imagination and paint enlightenment not in terms of "no self" but in a self deprecating light. 

When the self is seen to be a real problem that must be transcended, enlightenment is also seen to be a problem with infinite levels to be transcended. One is standing in front of it like a gambling machine, seeking an escape in thought (pulling the lever) rather than through feeling (leaving the casino.) 

What's going on psychologically with the mahasamadi thing is the same crap that went on in junior high. It's the same reason drug use might be seen as cool or interesting when you're a teenager. There's an underlying feeling of shame or inadequacy in thinking of oneself as normal or average, a desire to find "oneself" and use other people who seem to have depth and intrigue, (who are not just average) as role models. This cuts us off from our true north star, and we start seeking salvation in emulation of others that we have carefully chosen as having what we believe we do not have. 

Again, we're looking at enlightenment through a self-deprecating or "I'm not good enough" lens. 

When someone realizes that they are frustrated with this game, sick of standing of front of the machine putting money into it, but does not see the connection between their automatic unconscious action, pulling the lever (thought) and does not see the actual "out" because the way out seems so ordinary and mundane (feeling), they look for some OTHER out. 

This "out", must of course be painted in some extraordinary light, to avoid what one fears more than death (being ordinary.) 

So there you go. The fixation with mahasamadhi. 

[mandyjw]

This video (timestamped) may shed light on where this confusion stems from and why this particular term has been used so much and misunderstood so often recently. 

 

[ivankiss]

@Theromented Stop spamming that shit.

This is not the place for it.

[Nahm]

On 5/28/2021 at 9:59 PM, mw711 said:

Firstly, I am not interested in Mahasamadhi itself, more so the thoughts around it on this forum.

What is that “it” which you are not interested in, but there are thoughts around? 

How is that “it” not what you are focused upon, in making a thread about “it”, while saying you are not interested in, “it”? 

What is this distinction you are holding between ‘it’ and thoughts about it?

Literally, what is that difference? How are these two things? 

How did your making of this post not create more interest in what you “are not interested in”?

When you are talking about ego & death, what exactly do you believe, figure, think, etc - you are talking about? 

When you are talking about the I, which is and is not interested etc, what are you literally talking about?

[Byun Sean]

In theory, Mahasamdhi is supposedly the doorway from the physical to the next dimension.

It is accessed through intense spiritual work and only happens by a conscious willing to exit this life consciously to go beyond by the individual.

 

Thats what I've heard about it. I've heard many spiritual teachers talk about it so I assume it exists.

The mystery with mahasamadhi is you won't really know how it works experientially until or if it arises as a possibility in your experience.

In which case others can only take your word on faith or you exit this dimension and no one hears from you again.

 

Mahasamadhi from what I hear is much different from escapism or suicide and never happens unconsciously or by 'accident'. So 

in that regard I think you don't need to worry about it.

[Zeroguy]

Mahasamadhi= cessation.Full God Conciousness.

I find it funny how people who talk and fascinated about this are mostly guys/girls who actually are not really practitioners  at all in most cases .

People just being people I guess.

[ZzzleepingBear]

I don't have a personal interest in practicing this Mahasamadhi. But it got my attention today when a week old video of a monk that was doing Mahasamadhi. And now as a coincident I saw this post mentioning Mahasamadhi. 

My curiosity is not around the act of it being a sort of suicide, but rather if this practice is a fully concious conlcution of some sort. Maybe inward knowing of coming full circle if you will.

An inward knowing must come from a deeper place than our day to day reasoning/logic based of some sorty of causality. As in "I do this/that to avoid/gain this or that".

This Mahasamadhi doesn't come across as a choice rooted in worldly things, but rather as a conclution rooted in it's own nature through practice of cultivating a deeper inner access.

While the video I saw seemed very real. I also find some doubt in myself regarding this phenomena. Since he could been taking some poison beforehand, or maybe it is an collective act on behalf of the legitimacy of monk practices, who knows. It sparked some curiosity of thought in me. Anyways, this is my random thoughts for today.

[flowboy]

Monks do weird stuff man.

Remember the ones setting themselves on fire because "the body is a toxic plant"?

There's fools in every group of people.

 

This specific scene reminds me of a human sacrifice ritual, actually. Just like pagans would do, gather round as a group to watch chosen people give up their life, with some sort of spiritual beliefs attached to it.

 

 

I'm also not buying the "consciously moving on to the next dimension" shit.

Why not just stick it out until your natural death, you'll move on anyway. And maybe then they can do something useful on this plane in the meantime.

Edited July 15, 2021 by flowboy