Some thoughs about solipsism and infinity

[AdamR95]

I wanna share some of my thoughs about solipsism and infinity.

You as god experience only this present moment and only this one perspective. And in this moment this is all there is. But also you have within yourself infinite potential to experience infinite number of perspectives. So when you experience someone as other it is only your imagination, but in infinite time you will eventually be experiencing his point of view too at some point. You imagine one side and you will imagine the other side too, but in the moment when you are experiencing one side the other doesnt really exist.

But i think it is even more paradoxical than this. Speaking of infinite number of perspective there is a chance that you will never experience the exact same perspective you imagined to see from here. Because you can live infinite number of lives and never experience to be a human again!!! Infinity can unfold in whatever direction it wants and never repeat itself. This means that you are maybe only human that ever lived wtf? this is mindfuck.

 

Edited May 25, 2021 by AdamR95

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, AdamR95 said:

I wanna share some of my thoughs about solipsism and infinity.

You as god experience only this present moment and only this one perspective. And in this moment this is all there is. But also you have within yourself infinite potential to experience infinite number of perspectives. So when you experience someone as other it is only your imagination, but in infinite time you will eventually be experiencing his point of view too at some point. You imagine one side and you will imagine the other side too, but in the moment when you are experiencing one side the other doesnt really exist.

But i think it is even more paradoxical than this. Speaking of infinite number of perspective there is a chance that you will never experience the exact same perspective you imagined to see from here. Because you can live infinite number of lives and never experience to be a human again!!! Infinity can unfold in whatever direction it wants and never repear itself. This means that you are maybe only human that ever lived wtf? this is mindfuck.

 

Something cool to contemplate actually. But the last bit there is a refutation, because you have an experience right now (direct) and I also do (direct) and we are 2 humans. From your pov and following this reasoning, looks like you are the only human to exist, from mine it is me. So there are more than 1.

I like the idea that God is experiencing every point of view, but that would make no sense,  because when you are me, who is experiencing you? And the choices I make create changes for the other humans, so how can God experience one of us first and then the other, when we constantly change based on small everyday decisions..

 

I would say it is more likely that there are no points of view,. The anti-solipsist movement that I will be starting. 

Instead of assuming others have an experience like yourself (normal view) or that they don't have experience and just you, why don't we assume that actually we do not have direct experience, since thats what we see of other humans.. We see no direct experience there, so its safe to assume there is no direct experience here too lol. We might be imagining our own point of view entirely, like a mirage.

[AdamR95]

3 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Something cool to contemplate actually. But the last bit there is a refutation, because you have an experience right now (direct) and I also do (direct) and we are 2 humans. From your pov and following this reasoning, looks like you are the only human to exist, from mine it is me. So there are more than 1.

@Dodo But notice you assume, that i have a point of view. Maybe one of us is a zombie. If you gonna adopt non-solipstic worldview, you do it based on faith.

And if you deny direct experience then you deny existence itself.

[Javfly33]

I just hope reality is truly love and we will reunite with each other in one single singularity for eternity.

Oh wait...that's already the case.

Yeah man but anyway there's always the doubt of "what if I'm wrong"? What if I'm not really Infinity?

[Dodo]

12 minutes ago, AdamR95 said:

@Dodo But notice you assume, that i have a point of view. Maybe one of us is a zombie. If you gonna adopt non-solipstic worldview, you do it based on faith.

And if you deny direct experience then you deny existence itself.

Bro! I just told u, I have no direct experience its just you bro ? 

Joking aside, if we are both honest we would claim to have direct experience. 

If you didn't have direct experience right now, why are you so passionate about telling me im denying direct experience!  You have no clue what it is right? ?

[AdamR95]

8 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Bro! I just told u, I have no direct experience its just you bro ? 

Joking aside, if we are both honest we would claim to have direct experience. 

If you didn't have direct experience right now, why are you so passionate about telling me im denying direct experience!  You have no clue what it is right? ?

@Dodo You can verify your existence and i can verify my existence but we cant verify both at the same time. And no amount of reasoning can help to solve that. Thats the problem. I am passionate to talk to you even though i am aware that you are construct of my own mind.

Edited May 25, 2021 by AdamR95

[Mason Riggle]

The solipsist thinks there is a self, separate from that which is not self, and thinks of the 'other' as imaginary, while he is not.  (The dreamer, and the contents of the dream). 

The Solipsist (with a capital S) understands there is one real/imaginary Everything, and if that's all there is, then he's that. (The Dream itself). 

Edited May 25, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[Batman]

There is no 'other time' for 'God' to experience other perspectives. It is only Now, always. And experience can only occur in the Now. So 'God' does not experience any perspective 'simultaneously' to other perspectives, nor does 'he' experience them 'gradually'. This is indeed a Paradox, and why the Mind will never understand this.

Now is not a moment in time, because time does not exist outside of the Now. Time is a figment of mind. 

Of course that 'You' as a mind cannot know other minds from within your own mind. Even if you would to 'bounce off' into 'other' mind, you will be exactly the mind that you bounce into! See how that works? It is impossible to figure it out from the level of Mind, so don't bound yourself to this self-mind imprisonment. 

And yes, within any experience, 'other minds' only exist as a conceptual assumption. However, isn't the experience of any mind, even your own, is itself a concept, an illusion?

[The0Self]

1 hour ago, AdamR95 said:

This means that you are maybe only human that ever lived wtf? this is mindfuck.

Almost. Yes, you are God, and dream the entire universe... But there aren’t humans period. It’s not just that there aren’t other humans. There is just no real position (as you say), but an apparently real position may be dreamt in order to experience (just a story; there isn’t actually cause and effect).

Edited May 25, 2021 by The0Self

[AdamR95]

3 minutes ago, Batman said:

There is no 'other time' for 'God' to experience other perspectives. It is only Now, always. And experience can only occur in the Now. So 'God' does not experience any perspective 'simultaneously' to other perspectives, nor does 'he' experience them 'gradually'. This is indeed a Paradox, and why the Mind will never understand this.

Now is not a moment in time, because time does not exist outside of the Now. Time is a figment of mind. 

Of course that 'You' as a mind cannot know other minds from within your own mind. Even if you would to 'bounce off' into 'other' mind, you will be exactly the mind that you bounce into! See how that works? It is impossible to figure it out from the level of Mind, so don't bound yourself to this self-mind imprisonment. 

And yes, within any experience, 'other minds' only exist as a conceptual assumption. However, isn't the experience of any mind, even your own, is itself a concept, an illusion?

good points here

[Dodo]

6 minutes ago, AdamR95 said:

@Dodo You can verify your existence and i can verify my existence but we cant verify both at the same time. And no amount of reasoning can help to solve that. Thats the problem. I am passionate to talk to you even though i am aware that you are construct of my own mind.

I don't subscribe!  See me as a form might be a construct of you, but not your mind, rather your empty consciousness would be a better pointer.

But me as this bodymind am not this empty consciousness. Only the "atman" or Self is.

So i am not a construct of your mind, but of our collective consciousness... No? So we cant say I imagined you. If we have to say anything we would have to say 

I, consciousness,  create both this Ego-Self and other Ego-Selves.

This Ego-self point of view is as imaginary and non existent as the others and vice versa!

[Inliytened1]

27 minutes ago, Dodo said:

 

So i am not a construct of your mind, but of our collective consciousness... and vice versa!

If you go deep enough you can see that this starts to break down.  Because if "you" were to have an awakening in which there was the collapse all dualities you will be totally One.  His consciousness wouldn't then collapse into yours if he was actually separate from you.   It would if he was never separate from you to begin with but rather there was only the illusion of separation.

@AdamR95 good insights yeah Infinity will skullfuck you

 

 

[Dodo]

35 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If you go deep enough you can see that this starts to break down.  Because if "you" were to have an awakening in which there was the collapse all dualities you will be totally One.  His consciousness wouldn't then collapse into yours if he was actually separate from you.   It would if he was never separate from you to begin with but rather there was only the illusion of separation.

@AdamR95 good insights yeah Infinity will skullfuck you

 

 

So you're saying that i am you! I can assume that. Stay safe my Self from another dimension !!!!

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Dodo said:

So you're saying that i am you! 

Indeed!!

 

[Breakingthewall]

there is no solipism because you are not alone, as you are not the individual that you think you are, having an individual experience. It only seems so to you because of a strange trick. there is only one, but it is not you

[RMQualtrough]

1 hour ago, AdamR95 said:

I wanna share some of my thoughs about solipsism and infinity.

You as god experience only this present moment and only this one perspective. And in this moment this is all there is. But also you have within yourself infinite potential to experience infinite number of perspectives. So when you experience someone as other it is only your imagination, but in infinite time you will eventually be experiencing his point of view too at some point. You imagine one side and you will imagine the other side too, but in the moment when you are experiencing one side the other doesnt really exist.

But i think it is even more paradoxical than this. Speaking of infinite number of perspective there is a chance that you will never experience the exact same perspective you imagined to see from here. Because you can live infinite number of lives and never experience to be a human again!!! Infinity can unfold in whatever direction it wants and never repeat itself. This means that you are maybe only human that ever lived wtf? this is mindfuck.

I differ in belief. I don't think you as God sees one perspective. I think you as God see 100% of existence simultaneously and all at once.

So when you mention something like "you" living an infinite number of lives and not experiencing being human again, that is a misstep, because if you died right now, you as God are still experiencing 8 billion other humans on Earth.

Killing a character in a dream does not kill the dreamer. There's no you to live another life in this context. There is only God which is living all lives at once. You literally ARE me and I literally AM you. I think your brain creates a "separate entity" with a sense of "confinement". It creates the experience of NOT being my brain by knowing thoughts are happening here which are different to the ones in your own brain. Though also within your own brain you do not know what your subconsciousness is thinking. We may feel separated within our own minds that way.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

, you as God are still experiencing 8 billion other humans on Earth.

Exactly. When I die I will not go anywhere, I am already here. I am you

[Mason Riggle]

I like to think of myself as everything that I don't 'normally' think of as 'myself'.

So for instance, many people imagine themselves to be a 'self' who sits somewhere inside their head, behind their eyes, looking out at the world, authoring thoughts, making choices etc.. 

But when it's realized that 'self' is just relative to 'that which is not self', and doesn't exist 'separate' from it..

I feel like the triangle, which isn't there.. 'the triangle' is just 'everything that isn't triangle'. 

Edited May 25, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[Dodo]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

@AdamR95 good insights yeah Infinity will skullfuck you

 

 

but love is more gentle than that... be careful what spirits you trust lol!

[Dodo]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

there is no solipism because you are not alone, as you are not the individual that you think you are, having an individual experience. It only seems so to you because of a strange trick. there is only one, but it is not you

Thats it, thats what i was trying to communicate myself earlier. You have much clear message, appreciated. 

When we create reality we arent this bodymind creating other bodyminds, this bodymind and other bodyminds are all equally created.. At least I assume that. 

I got an extreme egoic reaction from my friend last night as I was talking about these things. He started calling me an idiot and really being harsh, trying to activate my ego identity I guess.

He is stage red and its really messy... I couldn't believe what im seeing, but definitely was pain body stuff.. Thats how I knew this stuff is most likely Truth ? 

 

He was so triggered by just me investigating this that he was even trying to make me in fight or flight situations by constantly trying to trip me and by playing a very alpha male behaviour (which is silly for me. Being alpha is the absolute beta - taking himself so seriously,  what an ass?). Unfortunately he is so low consciousness and I see all the little egoic tricks he likes to play and its just sad. I think I have sawn enough seeds in his mind and can let go of this fake friendship. 

It is all so obvious when we cultivate a little more awareness.. 

 

The problem with my "friend" is that when he doesn't understand he gets offended and these stuff are some deep shit and he's not interested and constantly telling me im wasting my time. He likes to judge others and has little interest in introspection. 

I wish I do a better job over there and awaken the stage reds... Do we need asholes around? 

I guess there is a problem with discussing the nature of reality with egoic nonspiritual instances of ourself is we are going to see all the dirty laundry of the unconscious mind and the madness of the ego.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Dodo