A different way to think about ego death

[BipolarGrowth]

I think this perspective holds key advantages over how I and many forum users have considered ego death in the past. 
 

It’s not 100% correct from a technical understanding of No Self possibly, but it still seems like valuable nuance to keep in mind. 

[WelcometoReality]

@BipolarGrowth I resonated with what he said about ego dies and is reborn from moment to moment in form of thoughts and feelings.

And if those are believed to be true ego is running our life.

[BipolarGrowth]

3 hours ago, WelcometoReality said:

@BipolarGrowth I resonated with what he said about ego dies and is reborn from moment to moment in form of thoughts and feelings.

And if those are believed to be true ego is running our life.

It’s not as simple as ego running our lives. You have to understand that almost any enlightened person you find will still talk, feel emotions, etc. The difference is that after sufficient awakening you know that the ego is nowhere to be found. The ego becomes a part of an automatic nervous system and automatic process of non-thinking (no mind in Zen). It still happens in much the same way as before awakening, but now it takes no effort to perform the ego, and there is also no resistance to it. 

[WelcometoReality]

1 hour ago, BipolarGrowth said:

It’s not as simple as ego running our lives. You have to understand that almost any enlightened person you find will still talk, feel emotions, etc. The difference is that after sufficient awakening you know that the ego is nowhere to be found. The ego becomes a part of an automatic nervous system and automatic process of non-thinking (no mind in Zen). It still happens in much the same way as before awakening, but now it takes no effort to perform the ego, and there is also no resistance to it. 

After awakening the ego will still be there in thought and feeling since that is what it's made of and it will try to bring back control with thought, anxiety, fear and it will try to reconstruct as an enlightened person or god. After awakening there is still work to disentangle the ego identification which is integrated in the thought feeling patterns until the ego completely dissolves.

 The body will still operate without an ego trying to control. It will be no effort because the ego is the resistance itself. 

[VeganAwake]

Yes, the ego is identification with conditioned thoughts/feelings of separation. 

Ego = identification

It's not a real entity, it's a misidentification.

When it's recognized BY NO ONE that the individual is an illusion, the disentangling happens by itself sort of speak and in most cases not instantly either.

❤

 

[BipolarGrowth]

17 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes, the ego is identification with conditioned thoughts/feelings of separation. 

Ego = identification

It's not a real entity, it's a misidentification.

When it's recognized BY NO ONE that the individual is an illusion, the disentangling happens by itself sort of speak and in most cases not instantly either.

❤

 

But you can have an awakening so deep that it is gone compared to the way that it used to be. That’s when an instant insight could make a lasting difference. I’m uploading a video right now of my No Self awakening which made me never fall for the ego again. 

[WelcometoReality]

15 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes, the ego is identification with conditioned thoughts/feelings of separation. 

Ego = identification

It's not a real entity, it's a misidentification.

When it's recognized BY NO ONE that the individual is an illusion, the disentangling happens by itself sort of speak and in most cases not instantly either.

❤

 

Yes some disentangling happens by itself but some might need further investigating to be disentangled. We could see it as a misidentification I use it aswell sometimes but that does not explain the reassembling or reidentification that happens after the initial seeing and not death experience when the last layer of ego is shed.

[The0Self]

Psychedelic ego death for me I’d usually describe after the fact as a recontextualization and/or falling-away of all context (including the personal memory bank), associated with all substance abruptly and instantly emptying from what appears, including awareness, meaning, and time, such that there’s just what apparently happens, with nothing in it, and it is what it is, but doesn’t need to be what it is, because there’s no context. As if all there is, is the raw infinite starting empty-but-full canvas of experience, floating in and as emptiness, “prior to” any movement, separation, or fixed position of any kind.

Edited May 25, 2021 by The0Self

[WelcometoReality]

@VeganAwake no pointer is perfect I guess. 

[The0Self]

24 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

@VeganAwake no pointer is perfect I guess. 

The more perfect the pointer, the less it says anything of substance. Here’s about the emptiest possible lol:

“Just is, but doesn’t need to be.”

Pointless pointer.

[WelcometoReality]

9 minutes ago, The0Self said:

The more perfect the pointer, the less it says anything of substance. Here’s about the emptiest possible lol:

“Just is, but doesn’t need to be.”

Pointless pointer.

Good Point(er). ?

[Carl-Richard]

You can think about it all you want, but when shit goes down, shits for real.

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

But you can have an awakening so deep that it is gone compared to the way that it used to be. That’s when an instant insight could make a lasting difference. I’m uploading a video right now of my No Self awakening which made me never fall for the ego again. 

Yes that's true and its extremely rare.

Usually it's a loosening up of identification as the ego construct.(glimpse)

Typically the identification returns and hijacks it, turing it back into MY experience.

But yes even a glimpse can have a rather large apparent impact.

?

[BipolarGrowth]

9 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes that's true and its extremely rare.

Usually it's a loosening up of identification as the ego construct.(glimpse)

Typically the identification returns and hijacks it, turing it back into MY experience.

But yes even a glimpse can have a rather large apparent impact.

?

Well for me it’s been like that first truly lucid and absolute glance upon all of existence where the ego completely vanishes under all ability of detection has left an imprint which allows me to actually no longer identify with an ego because I see right through the illusion. 

[VeganAwake]

4 hours ago, WelcometoReality said:

@VeganAwake no pointer is perfect I guess. 

Very true, and what makes it even stranger is that afterwards the experience is realized to be more of an non happening or non experience.

For how can a non experience really be pointed to. ?

[WelcometoReality]

18 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Very true, and what makes it even stranger is that afterwards the experience is realized to be more of an non happening or non experience.

For how can a non experience really be pointed to. ?

Because there is nothing to reflect back upon it. Just as a perfectly transparent window can only be seen if there is dirt on it.

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, WelcometoReality said:

Because there is nothing to reflect back upon it. Just as a perfectly transparent window can only be seen if there is dirt on it.

Nice ?

Like trying to point at gravity... sure it has an effect like ego, but there's nothing solid to point at. 

[WelcometoReality]

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Nice ?

Like trying to point at gravity... sure it has an effect like ego, but there's nothing solid to point at. 

Yeah there's a gravity but not a gravitor that chooses if it happens or not.

Or like a ripple in a pond. From the ripples POV it's moving forward. It's getting somewhere but from the ponds POV there is nothing happening. The pond is not going anywhere and the ripple was just an effect of the pebble being tossed in the pond.

The ego identification happens but it is just the ripple in the pond. From the egos perspective there's death but death is just the experience of the ripples energetic movement ebbing out.

[VeganAwake]

1 hour ago, WelcometoReality said:

From the egos perspective there's death but death is just the experience of the ripples energetic movement ebbing out.

Ego knows nothing of death because its real identification. It can't even begin to fathom its own unreality.

Ego is cunning. It will fake its disappearance if necessary.

[WelcometoReality]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

Ego knows nothing of death because its real identification. It can't even begin to fathom its own unreality.

Ego is cunning. It will fake its disappearance if necessary.

Yes blind spots where Ego is hiding.

As the last layer of ego is dissolved there is an experience of death.