Nothing Matters?!?

[Mu_]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah yeah, that is the question. what is the ego? imagine you are one year old. you are a blank screen, pure happiness of being undefined. there is no ego. only empty consciousness. second by second, day after day preferences accumulate, hunger -food, cold heat, mother-loneliness, acceptance -rejection. in short, life or death. they create a solid, very strong pattern with a life of its own: the ego. This pattern will completely monopolize the person, becoming dominant, since survival is essential. you can consciously soften, relax, because not everything is learned truths. the appreciation of beauty is not learned, it is prior to learning. but the conservation of life I think is learned. perhaps there is a pre-ego part, an impulse to preserve what is. Knowing that one person is different from another, and is your mother, is ego. Knowing that if he drowns he will die and you will feel his lack is also ego.

So to me it sounds like your using the word ego to describe aspects of experience.  But did you ever see any of these stories of what you say ego is, or is this just a "belief experience" that happened when answering the question?  Did you ever see something called ego in experience?  Is your mother and you ego?  Or are you perhaps experiencing an event of relationship?

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Knowing that one person is different from another, and is your mother, is ego. Knowing that if he drowns he will die and you will feel his lack is also ego.

Yes that's why I placed it in the relative because the specific things that matter are directly relative to that finite being and what matters to that finite beings survival.  In this case his mother's death would most likely pain him deeply and have widespread consequences on his own survival and well being.  

Notice this isn't a problem it's a feature.

On An Absolute level it is all Absolute Love because there is no difference between anything as reality is Infinite and Selfless with a complete lack of bias towards anything because it is all things and there is nothing that can be outside of it.

[The0Self]

As long as your experience is “something (anything) matters” the true meaning of “nothing matters” will be hidden. Because when nothing matters, nothing happens.

[VeganAwake]

53 minutes ago, Being Frank Yang said:

IF nothing matters then everything matters.

No, if nothing matters then it actually doesn't matter.

You wouldn't say a bird sitting on the tree branch is also not a bird sitting on a tree branch. That's just silly.

every extreme/paradox on this path eventually closes the loop on itself until all dualities collapse.

There is no loop, that's just part of the dream story. Duality doesn't collapse because it was never real, it just seemed to be. The end of Duality is the end of the separate individual... which never existed in reality.

For instance, total lack of free will when taking to the extreme becomes extremely liberating.

But lack of Free Will is not an experience it's a recognition. Like what would you do: lift weights while saying I'm not doing this I'm not doing this. ?

Sure the character might not have free will but Reality itself is endlessly Free in it's infinite expressions, and the character IS part of TRue Nature. 

It's the character that thinks it has Free Will and choice. When the character is recognized to be unreal, it makes the idea of Free Will and choice non applicable. There Can't Be Free Will and choice without a ME.

 

 

 

[Nos7algiK]

If nothing matters, then there is no comparison to it. Therefore everything matters absolutely. If all things matter absolutely then their very nature is conceived from the highest Good, meaning all things are perfectly perfect. If this is the case, then it doesn't matter that all things matter because their very nature is Good and can never be more or less of that. Let all aspects of reality to just "be" for that being, or awareness of the "now", is exactly what is willed by the Whole. Though, even this awareness of the illusion and acceptance that the illusion is exactly what is meant to be, is also an illusion itself. The "solution" is difficult to translate in language, but is found by holding both ends of the paradox, sitting in it's center, becoming it's whole, and realizing you are none of it as well.

[VeganAwake]

It's so free that you can call nothing something and simultaneously believe it matters. 

Now that's what I call Freedom ?

 

[Raptorsin7]

1 hour ago, Nos7algiK said:

If nothing matters, then there is no comparison to it. Therefore everything matters absolutely. If all things matter absolutely then their very nature is conceived from the highest Good, meaning all things are perfectly perfect. If this is the case, then it doesn't matter that all things matter because their very nature is Good and can never be more or less of that. Let all aspects of reality to just "be" for that being, or awareness of the "now", is exactly what is willed by the Whole. Though, even this awareness of the illusion and acceptance that the illusion is exactly what is meant to be, is also an illusion itself. The "solution" is difficult to translate in language, but is found by holding both ends of the paradox, sitting in it's center, becoming it's whole, and realizing you are none of it as well.

I think I follow this nice 

[Raptorsin7]

42 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It's so free that you can call nothing something and simultaneously believe it matters. 

Now that's what I call Freedom ?

 

Maybe I should change my profile pic... maybe a certain slogan??

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Mu_ said:

So to me it sounds like your using the word ego to describe aspects of experience

yes, the experience is the ego. the ego is you, basically. as @Inliytened1 and @The0Self said at an absolute level there is no differentiation, it is the same to see your mother being tortured than to give her a birthday present. nothing happens, everything is appearance. it's on your mind and it's only real on an apparent level. that's what spiritual work is about imo, of being able to detach from the apparent to identify with the absolute, to be able to enjoy the apparent

Edited May 23, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

yes, the experience is the ego. the ego is you, basically. as @Inliytened1 and @The0Self said at an absolute level there is no differentiation, it is the same to see your mother being tortured than to give her a birthday present. nothing happens, everything is appearance. it's on your mind and it's only real on an apparent level. that's what spiritual work is about imo, of being able to detach from the apparent to identify with the absolute, to be able to enjoy the apparent

This is ?

It's not about detachment though. Detachment sounds like a forced action.

Its seeing clearly.

For example:

The Mirage of water up ahead in the desert looks convincing, but say you then pick up your binoculars and see through the Mirage that there is in fact no water at that location.

There would be no need to detach because it was simply seen clearly...

Seeing through it clearly WAS the Detachment process sort of speak.

❤

 

[gettoefl]

13 hours ago, Being Frank Yang said:

IF nothing matters then everything matters. every extreme/paradox on this path eventually closes the loop on itself until all dualities collapse. For instance, total lack of free will when taking to the extreme becomes extremely liberating. Sure the character might not have free will but Reality itself is endlessly Free in it's infinite expressions, and the character IS part of TRue Nature. 

namely if i am not the doer then god has an extremely flexible paintbrush to work with

wow never thought of it like this before, how this loop closes on itself ... sending you love frank

namaste x