Is Leo Denying Others People's Experience?

[kinesin]

@Dodo  You're projecting your own interpretation onto what I'm saying, and that's causing you difficulty in understanding it.   If we were at a train station or something right now, I'd be able to help you understand.  I'm talking about having a clear mind and simply observing a person, watching their posture and gait, the tension in their body, small movements in their face and hands, the direction of their gaze, their breathing pattern etc etc.  By simply observing these things with a clear mind, information is recieved.  It isn't filtered through the conscious mind, I'm not talking about using that information to reason that a person is feeling X emotion or percieving Y thing, I'm talking about recieving it directly by observing them, much in the same way that you recieve an understanding of a sound's origin simply by hearing it.

This is very basic stuff, I think you're simply overthinking the complexity of it.  I'm saying that a very normal, usual human ability *is* telepathy, only people don't generally think of it in such terms but they probably should, because that's really what it is.  It's a little like how if I throw a ball in the air, you're able to predict where it's going to land.  Would you say that's because you had a 'vision of the future' where you saw the ball landing in a specific place?  Probably not... but why not though, really?  It's a very normal human ability, but it *is* undeniably a case of seeing the future.  I believe this communication issue is rooted in fiction and stories, personally - many people have come to believe a word like 'telepathy' or 'precognition' has connotations above and beyond what it actually does, reaching way into supernatural territory, and that stops them from being able to appreciate the reality of more mundane applications of it.

[Inliytened1]

On 5/21/2021 at 9:49 AM, SQAAD said:

 

Saying that everything is imaginary is the same as saying that everything is real

I think Leo sometimes doesn't give a good-enough explanation on some of his topics. I don't know what to make out of all this. 

Yes real/imaginary is a duality that can collapse.  What this means is what is imagined is real, and what is real is imagined.....for YOU.   That's the key..for you.  It still seems you are thinking in terms of some objective reality.

Self/Other is also a duality that can collapse. When we say these dualities collapse we are being 100% literal.  So one  can say - oh yeah real/imaginary and self/other are dualities..yeah got it..not a big deal.

But the problem is they don't got it.  If you did you would probably be on the floor whimpering over the magnitude of the realization...Collapsing these dualities happens at the level of Being not concept.  And even after that these are such radical awakenings that it takes months and sometimes years to integrate.  But one needs to start by doing the spiritual practices.

I see you on here a lot asking questions about the most advanced topics but have you ever bothered to do the work?   Things such as meditation, self inquiry, deconstruction of the mind and more specifically the materialist paradigm.

It's also important to get a metaphysical foundation before you even bother trying to tackle some of these questions.   It's like you are trying to put the cart before the horse.   Videos in actualized catalog such as Absolute Infinity and what is perception are very good. All of this stuff connects.  Feel free to PM and I can give you a list of some of the ones I recommend specifically for helping you awake.

 

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, kinesin said:

@Dodo  You're projecting your own interpretation onto what I'm saying, and that's causing you difficulty in understanding it.   If we were at a train station or something right now, I'd be able to help you understand.  I'm talking about having a clear mind and simply observing a person, watching their posture and gait, the tension in their body, small movements in their face and hands, the direction of their gaze, their breathing pattern etc etc.  By simply observing these things with a clear mind, information is recieved.  It isn't filtered through the conscious mind, I'm not talking about using that information to reason that a person is feeling X emotion or percieving Y thing, I'm talking about recieving it directly by observing them, much in the same way that you recieve an understanding of a sound's origin simply by hearing it.

This is very basic stuff, I think you're simply overthinking the complexity of it.  I'm saying that a very normal, usual human ability *is* telepathy, only people don't generally think of it in such terms but they probably should, because that's really what it is.  It's a little like how if I throw a ball in the air, you're able to predict where it's going to land.  Would you say that's because you had a 'vision of the future' where you saw the ball landing in a specific place?  Probably not... but why not though, really?  It's a very normal human ability, but it *is* undeniably a case of seeing the future.  I believe this communication issue is rooted in fiction and stories, personally - many people have come to believe a word like 'telepathy' or 'precognition' has connotations above and beyond what it actually does, reaching way into supernatural territory, and that stops them from being able to appreciate the reality of more mundane applications of it.

Its funny you use the ball analogy, I just watched Christiano Ronaldo tested "to the limit" and in one of the tests they curve a ball at him and turn off the lights. His subconscious software works so refined that he is still able to hit the ball and score. He has achieved mastery over football really  

But cool what you're saying is fine, but I am really not sure thats what that guy was talking about. I think he meant it more literal. 

[kinesin]

@Dodo  It is literal though, that's what I'm trying to explain.  It's both entirely mundane and also mindblowingly supernatural.  The state I described requires a clear and focused mind - without a meditative state it's quite literally impossible to discern such information.  To word it differently, the clear meditative state gives a person access to telepathic and precognitive abilities.  The Ronaldo example is a very good one - the reason why he's able to do such a thing isn't because he's merely tracking the ball with his eyes or calculating its trajectory in his head, he's embodying it.  That's what it means to 'be' the ball, and that's the sense by which it's possible to directly 'be' another person.  It's the exact same receptive meditative mindset which produces the result.

Edited May 22, 2021 by kinesin

[Breakingthewall]

I have had this realization doing 5meo, twice: I only exist, I am inventing everything, it is all imaginary, the past never happened, it is all an invention made at this moment, I am the only creator of everything, and the rest of the people .They are an invention of mine. I am alone, standing in no time, since always, without movement. Everything that you are saying in the forum, I have created it, you, the one who worries because Ieo said that no one else exists, you do not exist.

ok, but is this real? why is it going to be real? It seems so, it is true, but it may be a delusion

[Mason Riggle]

@Breakingthewall if you're the only one doing the seeming, whatever seems real to you, is. 

[Breakingthewall]

56 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said:

@Breakingthewall if you're the only one doing the seeming, whatever seems real to you, is. 

I am the only one who creates the apparent, and you are the only one who creates the apparent. only I exist in the universe and you are my creation, but only you exist in the universe and I am your creation. what is this? some kind of  loop of madness? because as Leo said, I am you. and nothing happened yesterday. we are creating yesterday now. This all seems very real, it matches what others have seen. But isn't it a delusion caused by psychedelics? specifically the 5 meo. anyone have these realizations without psychedelics?

[RedLine]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I have had this realization doing 5meo, twice: I only exist, I am inventing everything, it is all imaginary, the past never happened, it is all an invention made at this moment, I am the only creator of everything, and the rest of the people .They are an invention of mine. I am alone, standing in no time, since always, without movement. Everything that you are saying in the forum, I have created it, you, the one who worries because Ieo said that no one else exists, you do not exist.

ok, but is this real? why is it going to be real? It seems so, it is true, but it may be a delusion

both 5-meo solipsistic insight and regular sober understanding are false becuase both are ideas, mental noise, The Absolute is ARRATIONAL, it is silence, no "exist" "imagination", "invent", etc. Both materialsm and solipsism are false.

Edited May 22, 2021 by RedLine

[RedLine]

Just do vipassana noting guys, do not think about solipsism. It is a practice, not a methapisical theory.

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, RedLine said:

@RedLine

Agree with you, all those ideas about god are ego.