Leo, have you done no-fap?

[SgtPepper]

8 hours ago, dflores321 said:

Nothing wrong with porn, just a waste of energy imo.

But hey, I waste energy on other things. Just choose your poison carefully :). 

I have to disagree. Ethically speaking, there is a lot wrong with porn. Of course the level of wrongness is a spectrum like anything else. But many individuals in the industry are exploited, have poor mental health, and poor personal development. Which became clear to me with documentaries such as “Hot Girls Wanted”

You’d be cool with your mom, daughter, sister, your lady friend doing porn? That’s self-actualized? Just something to contemplate. 

7 hours ago, Harlen Kelly said:

@SgtPepper Is taking a dump or taking a nap a high conscious activity? If not, why do you do them?

Taking a dump and taking a nap are different. They happen naturally, like literally babies do it. Under limited circumstances such as solitary confinement or being stuck in a jungle, you’d still do it. Even if you tried to hold in your poop or stay awake your body will let go, which is what nocturnal emission is like. Totally natural. You can be wakeful during these moments, besides napping lol. 

Jerking off to porn is an intentional act. And you need exploited women and the industry to do it. Not to mention that the videos are an illusion, and by engaging you subvert your own wakefulness.

Also if it were as natural and universal as taking a dump or taking a nap, why do individuals keep it secret? I don’t imagine you have lotion and tissues for your guest to jerk off in your bathroom or porn playing when your mom and dad come over.

Okay, so what about jerking off without porn? The problem is, in my experience, you have to play out a scenario and fantasy in your mind which involves more delusion and self-deception, you have to again subvert your wakefulness. Do you have to do this to take a dump or to nap? I do not. 

I dont wish for others to take my comment as an absolute though. It is my perspective right now, I can see that others have a more loose perspective and I understand why, but I find a lot of value in the practice.

Edited May 26, 2021 by SgtPepper

[Harlen Kelly]

@SgtPepper Why do you think humans become more sexually open as they become more psychologically developed? For example if you study the least developed countries, you will notice that these countries neurotically suppress their sexuality, on the other hand, the most developed countries in Europe are the most sexually liberated countries (countries with the highest human development index). 

As you can see, humans tend to become more sexually open as they become more developed, not the other way around. Why is that?

[SgtPepper]

12 hours ago, Harlen Kelly said:

@SgtPepper Why do you think humans become more sexually open as they become more psychologically developed? For example if you study the least developed countries, you will notice that these countries neurotically suppress their sexuality, on the other hand, the most developed countries in Europe are the most sexually liberated countries (countries with the highest human development index). 

As you can see, humans tend to become more sexually open as they become more developed, not the other way around. Why is that?

How would you define sexually open? and do you have any articles about this?

I am European-American, so in my experience, people in Europe follow traditional family values, which I believe contributes to a healthy society. Perhaps they are more sexually open with their partner which is good!, but people in Europe are not having poly relationships.

People are becoming open about their sexuality in terms of LGBT.

Let's say that people are more sexually liberated in Europe, there is also higher divorce rates in western nations which indirectly causes trauma so it doesn't necessarily mean something good is happening if people are being sexually "liberated"

Overall, I am just not sure how the sexual liberation movement, which I agree with, necessary means that porn and masturbation is healthy for an individual or a relationship. In addition, aren't Arab countries like Saudis the highest consumers of porn? so wouldn't that mean that less developed countries consume more porn? 

Plus if you are psychologically developed why would you engage in unethical media such as porn? wouldn't it make more sense to develop a relationship with a person to make love? 

[Harlen Kelly]

@SgtPepper Porn is banned in most Arab countries. You are very deep and deluded into the nofap movement, I don't think I will be able to get you out of it. 

One day you will realize that sexual repression is indicative of a low level of psychological development, it does not work, most men who are obsessed with it are simply having a neurotic overreaction due to their lack of options with women, and most men who are already successful with the opposite sex are not doing mental jerk offs about how unethical porn or masturbation is. 

But anyways, I hope it works out for you (spoiler alert, it won't because sexual repression does not lead to consciousness). 

[SgtPepper]

10 minutes ago, Harlen Kelly said:

@SgtPepper Porn is banned in most Arab countries. You are very deep and deluded into the nofap movement, I don't think I will be able to get you out of it. 

One day you will realize that sexual repression is indicative of a low level of psychological development, it does not work, most men who are obsessed with it are simply having a neurotic overreaction due to their lack of options with women, and most men who are already successful with the opposite sex are not doing mental jerk offs about how unethical porn or masturbation is. 

But anyways, I hope it works out for you (spoiler alert, it won't because sexual repression does not lead to consciousness). 

I am not doing any of the things you say, I am simply conscious of the harm and limitations of porn and masturbation. 

Most of what you said, could be used to rationalize any bad habit. Overcoming cravings is not a bad thing and giving into them is the sign of low level of psychological development and weakness. Why do you want to be a weak man? women don't go for weak men. 

Actually man, porn usage is indicative of your lack of options (unless somehow you prefer videos over a real woman), avoidance of organic relationships, and socialization with women. It's also in an indication of your neediness and lack of ability to stay whole with yourself. 

Don't confuse what I am talking about with actually developing relationships with women. 

I am not sexually repressed, I have hot amazing sex on a weekly basis lol. 

Living life without integrity/principles/values is low level of psychological development and you may or may not realize that, but it doesn't matter cause it's a dream, so play out the dream the way you want. 

How come you never answered the questions I posed? 

You’d be cool with your mom, daughter, sister, your lady friend doing porn? That’s self-actualized?

You're alright with women being exploited? who is ultimately You? 

 

[Harlen Kelly]

10 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

How come you never answered the questions I posed? 

1 - You’d be cool with your mom, daughter, sister, your lady friend doing porn? That’s self-actualized?

2 - You're alright with women being exploited? who is ultimately You? 

 

1 - I would not have an issue with it because I don't have a neurotic relationship with sex or porn. 

2 - Open your mind to the possibility that a significant percentage of women do porn because they want to do porn, and not because they are being exploited. That's some mental gymnastics you made up to vilify porn. 

Your attitudes towards sex, masturbation and porn, and the attitudes of a religious fudamentalist towards sex, masturbation and porn are very similar. 

Edited May 26, 2021 by Harlen Kelly

[Harlen Kelly]

@Peter Miklis You have arrived to a healthy and holistic perspective of porn. There are excesses in porn, does not mean that you vilify the entirety of porn. Doing so would create a fragmentation and denial of the innate desires humans have for sexual expressions. 

 

[SgtPepper]

23 hours ago, Peter Miklis said:

@SgtPepper Tbh, the only problem I see with porn is the unetical, dark side of porn industry. All kinds of shady shit going on there, but most amateur porn I'd say is fine.

I now tend to think of porn as food. You can have good healthy food, you can also have shitty junk food. There's a lot of depraved perverted shit on the internet, but also some beautiful porn, which I'd even label as art.

Some videos are so beautifully made that I can just enjoy them without the need to touch myself.

I agree with this. 

And at the same time, my mind feels better letting go of all porn and saving sexual intimacy as something to be shared with someone. Once we record it, we turn into it something else, it can become vain.

On 5/26/2021 at 0:27 PM, Harlen Kelly said:

1 - I would not have an issue with it because I don't have a neurotic relationship with sex or porn. 

2 - Open your mind to the possibility that a significant percentage of women do porn because they want to do porn, and not because they are being exploited. That's some mental gymnastics you made up to vilify porn. 

Your attitudes towards sex, masturbation and porn, and the attitudes of a religious fudamentalist towards sex, masturbation and porn are very similar. 

Fair enough. 

You are correct to say that I am religious. 

Glad I had this discussion with you guys as it gives me more to contemplate with. 

[Flint]

On 16/5/2021 at 0:44 PM, Leo Gura said:

Your understanding of how semen works is silly.

Your semen will be expelled from your body within a week or two if you don't ejaculate it out. It will come out in your urine.

Semen is a LIVE and precious substance. You do not get to keep a batch of semen brewing in your nuts for a lifetime, Lol.

Apes and monkeys jerk off on a daily basis. Nothing unnatural about it.

What's truly unnatural is you not busting your nuts for years. And it's almost certainly bad for your health.

The idea that ejaculation is bad for your health is absurd. You are basically a sex machine. Ejaculation is what you were born for.

You would be better off if you just owned your sexuality.

So far, based on what I've read, you've not supporting any nofap/semen retention practice.

I know you've changed your mind in the past on several issues, such as fish due to the heavy metals, and as such I was wondering to what extent you explored the whole semen retention subject ?

While massive amount of people have been wrong before, there is a lot of anecdotical evidence for nofap as well as some different semen rentention/celibacy/energy conservation tradition such as found within Taoism and Yoga.

Are you voicing your concerns so that your followers don't go into sexual repression while they should work themselves up the spiral and meet their sexual needs to transcend them ? Or are all of the semen retention/nofap claims at a very high level pretty much groundless and such a practice yeilds almost no benefits besides perhaps a brief placebo ?