Leo, have you done no-fap?

[The Mystical Man]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your semen will be expelled from your body within a week or two if you don't ejaculate it out. It will come out in your urine.

I don't know how true that is. I've never heard that before, but even if it is true, it's probably not a lot of semen that comes out in your urine, and, more importantly, there is nothing you can do about it, so that's fine. But there is something you can do about masturbation, compulsive ejaculation, and the consumption of pornography. 

There is no way you're going to convince me that daily ejaculation is healthy. I have my direct experience. Try to go 37 days without ejaculating. It will totally change your perspective on masturbation and ejaculation. 

I can't repeat this often enough: I'm not repressing my sexuality. There are many steps and phases to this journey. And one of the first steps, at least for me, was to fully own my sexuality. Phase one was sexual exploration. It was about freeing myself from my inhibitions. But after you do that for a while, phase two begins: going beyond lust. 

My intention is to transcend all these lower things: The Human Dilemma So that I can make my life about the higher things. 

[Leo Gura]

You guys are so obsessed with this.

Thou doth protest too much.

Ejaculate and enjoy it. Or be at war with yourselves. Up to you.

[Superfluo]

1 hour ago, The Mystical Man said:

So that I can make my life about the higher things.

Why lower things are worse than higher things? Giving food for thought

[Shin]

1 hour ago, The Mystical Man said:

I don't know how true that is. I've never heard that before, but even if it is true, it's probably not a lot of semen that comes out in your urine, and, more importantly, there is nothing you can do about it, so that's fine. But there is something you can do about masturbation, compulsive ejaculation, and the consumption of pornography. 

There is no way you're going to convince me that daily ejaculation is healthy. I have my direct experience. Try to go 37 days without ejaculating. It will totally change your perspective on masturbation and ejaculation. 

I can't repeat this often enough: I'm not repressing my sexuality. There are many steps and phases to this journey. And one of the first steps, at least for me, was to fully own my sexuality. Phase one was sexual exploration. It was about freeing myself from my inhibitions. But after you do that for a while, phase two begins: going beyond lust. 

My intention is to transcend all these lower things: The Human Dilemma So that I can make my life about the higher things. 

 

Why would it be bad to feel lust ?

Why would it be bad to watch other people having sex ?

If you truly want to transcend, don't put labels like lower or unhealthy or bad etc.
You're not gonna transcend anything if you put everything you feel aren't for you into those categories, that's the opposite you're doing actually.

[Depersonilized]

@The Mystical Man 20 years old here. Used to jack off everyday, but that stopped once I had a lot more going on in my life. Now it's more of a weekly thing, and I don't even use porn. The reason why I mention that is because I think daily maturation really just comes from boredom. Instead of trying to fight that impulse just do other shit, and it will go away naturally. It was weird - at one point it was a semon fest, and then I completely forgot I was jacking off everyday lol. People masturbate so much because they crave stimulation. That's it. Find something else. 

Edit: Grammer. Also it's my belief that if you've been jacking off everyday, and you suddenly stop, the reason why you get clarity for the week or two after is because, to your brain, you've been having sex everyday, and now there's none of it, so it puts itself into gear to find another "partner". That only happens because it's daily. If you were to do it weekly and suddenly stop, it would be the same deal. Going in some holy war against your balls is some stage blue shit. Again, if you want to stop jacking off, just have more going on in your life. You're bored. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Depersonilized

[TheAlchemist]

@The Mystical Man I have found that the best way to "transcend" a lower desire is not to run away from it and resist it as much as possible, but counterintuitively to embrace it totally and to let go of any resistance that arises.

I was obsessed with nofap for 5 years, I had countless "streaks" of over 50 days and even a 6 month streak. And sure, there were some benefits, it can work as a kind of defibrillator for your system, kind of like fasting, giving you all this ape energy because you're not reproducing and your body system goes into basically panic mode to get you out there. But overall I found it to be doing much more damage than good. I was just repressing and resisting my desires, and as Carl Jung wisely said; whatever you resist, persists and grows in size.

It can become a very unhealthy obsession, where your self-worth becomes tied to it, and you start thinking of it as the solution to all your problems. Really it is largely a distraction from the real, deeper work that needs to be done. It is a simplistic solution, and it sucks because 99.9% of people who do nofap will never permanently stop fapping, so they are stuck in this trap of thinking that it will solve all their problems, yet they can never achieve it. That can go on for years and decades, until it is reflected upon more and you snap out of it. At least that is how it has been for me. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by TheAlchemist

[Carl-Richard]

Tried it, overdid it, stopped and found my own Goldilocks zone. Went from fapping 1-2 times a day to once every 2-3 days. It's good if you want to re-establish a healthy baseline.

[Bob Seeker]

Get more in touch with your passion and you will feel better about these things, this is my experience, at least.

[Girzo]

47 minutes ago, Depersonilized said:

The reason why I mention that is because I think daily maturation really just comes from boredom

Or stress, like in the Wolf of the Wall Street movie, where this humming guy said he masturbates like 5 times a day or something. 

[Leo Gura]

When you got no creative outlet, no LP, yeah, you'll be jerking off multiple times a day. But when you cultivate a serious creative outlet you will be so busy you will barely have time to jerk off a few times a week.

Idle hands (and minds) do the devil's jerk

The less you pursue higher spiritual pleasures the more you will pursue lower carnal pleasures.

[The Mystical Man]

I've experienced this journey more as a death and rebirth. It has nothing to do with suppression. If you do it properly, it's similar to the process of transcending the mind. You wouldn't say, "Just enjoy the fantasy realms of the past and the future. There is nothing wrong with it. Why call it 'lower'?" That's devilry. The distinction between lower and higher is very useful. You guys keep justifying this obsession with sex by acting as though you're psychology experts. "Don't suppress it, man. Don't go to war with yourself." Yeah, right, how convenient. While you're at it, also stop suppressing your desire for junk food. Be lazy. Waste time. Waste energy. Nothing wrong with it, isn't it? Yes or no? After 37 days, for me, there is equanimity. No more intense urges. I still miss it sometimes, but I'm no longer the slave of my sexuality. I'm the master of my dick.

[Leo Gura]

Jerking off is not junk food. Junk food is bad for health, jerking off is not. Jerking off is more like taking a poo or a nap.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, The Mystical Man said:

It has nothing to do with suppression.

When you feel sexual energy, what do you do?

[Superfluo]

@Leo Gura What's your take on sexual energy, the concept of transmuting it and not wasting it, and all that stuff?

[Joel3102]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Jerking off is not junk food. Junk food is bad for health, jerking off is not. Jerking off is more like taking a poo or a nap.

Having a wank is not junk food, but porn is

[Carl-Richard]

20 minutes ago, Superfluo said:

@Leo Gura What's your take on sexual energy, the concept of transmuting it and not wasting it, and all that stuff?

Transmutation happens naturally when you do stuff. Like Leo just said, if you spend less time doing stuff, you'll be more inclined to use that energy towards procreating.

[Karmadhi]

I mean just do what you want. Each body is different, some response to no fap better than others. I think it should be treated like when you experiment with diet for example, try different things until you find what is best for you. For some daily fap is best, for some couple times per week, for some once a week, for others almost never. Personally i got super depressed when i completely removed it for 4 months so saying "you should never fap" is absurd and does not apply for everyone. There are also people that can do it without much issue so for them it might be a good idea. Different people, different sex drives. 

This normativity about fapping is quite annoying to be honest.

[jordi1]

17 hours ago, jordi1 said:

@kinesin Not repression but transmutation is the way of the spiritual people. 

@Mellocean Just work that extra energy you get from less fap up the spine. Cost you nearly no time , great creative energy for the brain. Other ways are for the unknowledgeable people.

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, jordi1 said:

@Mellocean Just work that extra energy you get from less fap up the spine. Cost you nearly no time , great creative energy for the brain. Other ways are for the unknowledgeable people.

Never understood how you do this intentionally. Nowadays it happens for me naturally to some extent which is another reason why I fap less. In fact, I feel the build up of sexual energy more in my spine than anywhere else.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[spiritual memes]

@Leo Gura Can you make a video covering porn, sexual urges and nofap? I think it would be really useful for a lot of people who follow your channel and are struggling with these things.