I'm confused about Leo's madness and doubt him a bit

[fopylo]

@blackchair I must admit Leo's videos are the most professional and highest quality I've ever came across. Very on point and direct, not like many of the Indian gurus

[Megan Alecia]

@fopylo sadhguru - "loosen the grip"

 

[ilja]

It depends on how you view porn, as for a classical role model, yeah it's probably not a good idea to open that, but i don't think leo cares about being a role model, he is just giving his understanding out for you to use it.

I think it is best for everyone here if we stop expecting nobleness from him and view him rather as a friend.

Edited May 14, 2021 by ilja

[fopylo]

@ilja Why will he be watching porn though? Is it to fulfill egoic desires? Is it to distract himself?
Does it ring some bells? - Leo talked a lot about those

[blackchair]

21 minutes ago, fopylo said:

@blackchair I must admit Leo's videos are the most professional and highest quality I've ever came across. Very on point and direct, not like many of the Indian gurus

so, i dont see any problem. 

[ilja]

4 minutes ago, fopylo said:

@ilja Why will he be watching porn though? Is it to fulfill egoic desires? Is it to distract himself?
Does it ring some bells? - Leo talked a lot about those

Why is that so important to you?

Maybe after his long psychedelic ventures he is probably more aware of him minds mechanism such that it would not get him stuck unconsciously in addiction?

But i dunno, he said he has always been horny.

Edited May 14, 2021 by ilja

[Opo]

1 hour ago, fopylo said:

@Opo Then how can he know the advice is true? The only way he can verify it is through his own experience

 

@something_else

Indulging in porn consciously?? If you where conscious you'd have no reason to indulge in porn. What would your motivations be then?

I can tell you don't eat sugar because I haven't eaten it for a month and have felt better but after the month ended I ate chocolate. 

I have just verified my claim and if I kill myself with sugar after that it doesn't make it untrue. 

 

Do you feel shitty after you jack off? 

[blackchair]

oh god, people, i watch porn, its healthy, why do you have such fixation with porn, I don't get I honestly

[Shin]

12 minutes ago, blackchair said:

oh god, people, i watch porn, its healthy, why do you have such fixation with porn, I don't get I honestly

It's not healthy for your brain, but I don't see why that is a criter to say that someone isn't genuine about what he says he does.

That would be like saying that if someone does smoke, he can't be woke, cause he's "unconscious" (hello Allan Watts).

[blackchair]

1 minute ago, Shin said:

It's not healthy for your brain, but I don't see why that is a criter to say that someone isn't genuine about what he says he does.

That would be like saying that if someone does smoke, he can't be woke, cause he's "unconscious" (hello Allan Watts).

i smoke also

[Danioover9000]

@fopylo

11 minutes ago, fopylo said:

@ilja Why will he be watching porn though? Is it to fulfill egoic desires? Is it to distract himself?
Does it ring some bells? - Leo talked a lot about those

   I think it has some connection to his god realization, somehow. When you get access to infinity, you melt away and become everything, including everything sexual. Maybe from the coming down, he wants to explore more of his god sexuality, so what's the best way to do that so far? One of these would be watching porn vids, or porn mags, because you get a broader selection to choose from, whatever kink, and degree of dominance/intimacy that attracts. Like running through multiple simulations, you get to explore very quickly what does or doesn't attract you, with very little negative impact on yourself, as long as you remember to approach this with discipline and awareness, and you get to customize your preferences over time. You quickly learn what does or doesn't attract, and you can safely release your frustrations privately.

   Also, rather than risk releasing it in the real world, with a man or woman you don't know if this is what you're attracted to, or you're still not sure that this sex, or type of sexuality is your thing, or if you or the other are willing enough to follow through, worst case scenario is to find out right before, or while didi li doing the person in the bedroom, and get embarrassed, suffer erectile dysfunction,  or worse. From this, pornography is like troubleshooting before doing the deeds, with really very little risk on your part, so that you are a bit more knowing and prepared for potential sex partners.

[blackchair]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@fopylo

   I think it has some connection to his god realization, somehow. When you get access to infinity, you melt away and become everything, including everything sexual. Maybe from the coming down, he wants to explore more of his god sexuality, so what's the best way to do that so far? One of these would be watching porn vids, or porn mags, because you get a broader selection to choose from, whatever kink, and degree of dominance/intimacy that attracts. Like running through multiple simulations, you get to explore very quickly what does or doesn't attract you, with very little negative impact on yourself, as long as you remember to approach this with discipline and awareness, and you get to customize your preferences over time. You quickly learn what does or doesn't attract, and you can safely release your frustrations privately.

   Also, rather than risk releasing it in the real world, with a man or woman you don't know if this is what you're attracted to, or you're still not sure that this sex, or type of sexuality is your thing, or if you or the other are willing enough to follow through, worst case scenario is to find out right before, or while didi li doing the person in the bedroom, and get embarrassed, suffer erectile dysfunction,  or worse. From this, pornography is like troubleshooting before doing the deeds, with really very little risk on your part, so that you are a bit more knowing and prepared for potential sex partners.

well said

[Leo Gura]

I got a shocker for ya: I shit too 

[Shin]

41 minutes ago, blackchair said:

i smoke also

You're doomed.

No enlightenment possible for you.

?

[The Mystical Man]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I got a shocker for ya: I shit too 

 

[fopylo]

@Leo Gura Then can you explain the whole porn issue? I am quite confused. While people here are giving answers it won't mean as much as you honestly answering. You might be doing it for God consciousness stuff or whatever but I am curious to know as you see

[fopylo]

@Opo

2 hours ago, Opo said:

Do you feel shitty after you jack off?

Yes. I feel weak. I can tell you that as someone who stopped watching porn and masturbation, it feels way more better to be off it than hooked on it

[fopylo]

@Danioover9000

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@fopylo

   I think it has some connection to his god realization, somehow. When you get access to infinity, you melt away and become everything, including everything sexual. Maybe from the coming down, he wants to explore more of his god sexuality, so what's the best way to do that so far? One of these would be watching porn vids, or porn mags, because you get a broader selection to choose from, whatever kink, and degree of dominance/intimacy that attracts. Like running through multiple simulations, you get to explore very quickly what does or doesn't attract you, with very little negative impact on yourself, as long as you remember to approach this with discipline and awareness, and you get to customize your preferences over time. You quickly learn what does or doesn't attract, and you can safely release your frustrations privately.

   Also, rather than risk releasing it in the real world, with a man or woman you don't know if this is what you're attracted to, or you're still not sure that this sex, or type of sexuality is your thing, or if you or the other are willing enough to follow through, worst case scenario is to find out right before, or while didi li doing the person in the bedroom, and get embarrassed, suffer erectile dysfunction,  or worse. From this, pornography is like troubleshooting before doing the deeds, with really very little risk on your part, so that you are a bit more knowing and prepared for potential sex partners.

This is a bad excuse for watching porn. You do not need to damage your brain in such a way for figuring it out. Porn ≠ real life sex. It is not a good indicator and doesn't prepare you well. Channeling your sexual energy towards approaching women is a much better use.

[Willie]

8 minutes ago, fopylo said:

@Opo

Yes. I feel weak. I can tell you that as someone who stopped watching porn and masturbation, it feels way more better to be off it than hooked on it

This thread and your posts in it indicate that you’re still hooked on it.

[fopylo]

@Willie hooked on what?