Leo, is DMSA really necessary to test for heavy metal toxicity?

[actualizing25]

I have read that there are many risks and dangers in taking DMSA, so why not just do the normal urine test without it? Is DMSA really that necessary?

 

thanks

[Leo Gura]

56 minutes ago, actualizing25 said:

so why not just do the normal urine test without it?

That won't show your toxicity.

DMSA is what pulls out the heavy metals. Without it you're not measuring anything but the heavy metals in your drink.

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura ok, but would you say using DMSA only for the test can be risky and dangerous?

[Leo Gura]

14 hours ago, actualizing25 said:

@Leo Gura ok, but would you say using DMSA only for the test can be risky and dangerous?

No, DMSA is considered very safe. But nothing in medicine is perfectly safe, and it is possible for you to misuse it.

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura Ok thank you, Leo? So for the toxicity test, I bascially have to take some DMSA (how much depends on my wheight) and then do the normal urin test and send it to a lab, right?

[Leo Gura]

Yes

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura I really don't want to bother you, Leo, but do you think this one is fine?

[actualizing25]

https://www.supersmart.com/de/boutique/leber-entgiftung/dmsa-erganzung-0248

[Leo Gura]

Seems okay

[jordi1]

Why not just take modified citrus pectin for a long while. Sounds safe .  Will it work?

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura And do I need to take ALA for the test?

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, actualizing25 said:

@Leo Gura And do I need to take ALA for the test?

No

[Ora]

On 5/14/2021 at 8:21 AM, actualizing25 said:

@Leo Gura ok, but would you say using DMSA only for the test can be risky and dangerous?

If you read up on the Andy cutler protocol, he doesn't recommend these types of urine tests because it's not very reliable and taking only 1 dose of metal chelators could stir up more negatives than positives. He recommends a specific type of hair mineral analysis and according to your mineral levels it gives you hints as to if metals are causing depletions. 

Before undertaking heavy metal chelation its imperative to study up and know what your getting into. You can seriously hurt yourself if you truly are heavy metal toxic.

[actualizing25]

@Ora

@Leo Gura What would you say here? So a Urine test using one dose of DMSA can cause more harm than good?

[Ora]

I'd recommend reading mercury detoxification manual. It's a guide based on Andy cutlers protocol. Or just Google around and many blogs give the basics. The Andy cutler chelation Facebook group has lots of support for questions. People post the specific type of hair mineral analysis on there and there are Dr's and experts who will analyze the results for you to see if you have signs of heavy metal toxicity.

Every "expert" has their own opinions about what's the best method so there's no right or wrong. Many heavy metal doctors use the urine method, but in Andy cutlers protocol he doesn't recommend as there are risks. Perhaps if you never had amalgrams or sever heavy metal poisoning you won't get any of the sid effects from the urine testing method. 

[Michael569]

12 hours ago, Ora said:

Or just Google around and many blogs give the basics.

Not a good idea when it comes to chelation and detoxification. You need a specialist guidance not some half-assed blog advice from someone who has just written what's on their mind. Either do chelation properly under the wings of a specialist (or at least using the guidance of trusted sources) or don't do it at all. 

[The0Self]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

Not a good idea when it comes to chelation and detoxification. You need a specialist guidance not some half-assed blog advice from someone who has just written what's on their mind. Either do chelation properly under the wings of a specialist (or at least using the guidance of trusted sources) or don't do it at all. 

Just getting metals out of the body as a medical intervention is not the same as getting them out in a specific way to make psychedelic experiences more clear and consciousness more elevated.

[Ora]

6 hours ago, Michael569 said:

Not a good idea when it comes to chelation and detoxification. You need a specialist guidance not some half-assed blog advice from someone who has just written what's on their mind. Either do chelation properly under the wings of a specialist (or at least using the guidance of trusted sources) or don't do it at all. 

Oh I should have clarified by blog I ment ones written about Andy cutlers method. And how they give you general guidelines for risks about certain methods of testing for metals. Of course when you do the protocol you should read the books properly and join the fb support groups.

[Vignan]

How do I know my current toxicity levels??

[Leo Gura]

On 5/23/2021 at 2:34 AM, actualizing25 said:

@Ora

@Leo Gura What would you say here? So a Urine test using one dose of DMSA can cause more harm than good?

There's no clear answer.

IMO, urine testing is the only valid test. I do not trust hair tests. And there is no other test.

To make the urine test safer you can do the test and then go immediately into a 3 day Cutler detox cycle. This way any metals your test dose stirred up are detoxed. That is my preferred way.

But again, I give no guarantees. Your results may vary. Make sure you don't have any metal filings in your teeth when doing this. For most people this will work well. There might be some problems if you very toxic. But there is no other reliable way to test IMO, so it must be done. Knowing your toxicity level is crucial for this process.