Tripping without psychedelics

[Dodo]

10 hours ago, Frosty97 said:

So about three years ago I was hospitalized because I was tripping without psychedelics.

I didn't know what was going on at that time but, looking back I now realize that I was tapping into 'mind is everything, everything is your imagination' type stuff

The reason I say that is because at that time I thought I was materializing what I imagined.

I remember I was sure that if I open my apartment door a dog would walk in. This particular thing didn't happen but I was in like this mode for some time until my family called emergency hospital.

I take anti-psychotic medication now  but I think I'll be able to gradually get off them.

Anyone have had this type of experience?

Any thoughts about this matter I'd appreciate. Thanks

I've had a similar experience by "tapping into" "heart is everything". I found, through research that the human heart creates a torus-shaped magnetic field and that everything else, including the Earth and galaxy have the same magnetic field shape  

I started imagining these fields around everyone and everything I see, and I imagined pressing the + on the magnet, rather than the -. These things are all very much imagination, I have no proof I was doing anything at all in "reality", but my reality started changing and I felt like I was manifesting things, even in this forum! But it was all selfless stuff, and nothing that would link back to me to give me any sort of credit that would make my ego go WoooHooo see how great I am. 

 

I was imagining connecting my torus field with Earth's torus field and going "UP" together, I really connected with what I would call spirit and something much bigger than me - I had in my mind the thought "When you see God you will know" and then I had an actual experience which blew my mind away that was like Infinite Love and I knew that this was God but I have little to no memory of this event, I just know the certainty and that there was a lot of fear actually from that experience also, I was sent to my knees ... I started doing things to please the entity I experienced, all sort of strange art that I associated with Truth... I knew my job was to raise the frequency, raise the vibration.

At one point there was this intuitive or telepathic voice that I think was the field/reality which told me that everything I see and experience is a reflection of my own heart, the state if it. If its low vibe, thats what it wll turn to, if I am high vibe, it will mirror that! It was disappointed at me once when i had given up and returned to my "beast" nature but then I started energizing again through moving around and raising my own spirits up. It worked wonders.

At another point I felt like the whole world is counting on me to send the seeds for this creation to the beginning of time so we could all exist again and that I was failing my mission... I was crying on the floor and in started saying things that would connect, I was thought that the Bible was a hidden message to awaken humanity and it was created in an attempt to do the impossible - make me awaken and save the world - I knew I couldnt do it and I would fail, so I cried and started saying a story that sounded a lot like the bible, so we can attempt this again next time, and maybe I wont fail again... I was creating art which included things from Earth and my life, showing different aspects of what exists so we may return again, be who we all are, live as humans... 

There are other very interesting parts of my experience, but I am afraid I am not very good at expressing stuff accurately enough through words, I wish I could have a recording of everything to just show... 

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Frosty97 Your genetics are such that you simply have a much more fluid consciousness than normal people. Hence your reality is less solid and more spiritual.

This is quite common.

You basically have natural psychedelics in your head all the time. The anti-psychotics dampen that down, making you more grounded, like a normie.

 

9 hours ago, Florian said:

@Leo Gura Do you also have such genetics?

 

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Not at all

I believe my experience above proves that one can have absolutely rigid consciousness such as mine and by the power of love alone can reach that fluid consciousness/ spiritual level. I was posting stuff on the forum and DMd you with "crazy" stuff while I was on that "trip" and you told me to ground myself, which was helpful advice. 

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[Frosty97]

@Leo Gura Could you tell me what it means when you say "If your inclined to do this work"?

Also I'm not the usual schizophrenic in that I don't hear any voices and stuff like that. I can see how one can go to that direction though.

[Nahm]

@Frosty97

Curious, which psychedelics did you take which you’re comparing the sober tripping to, and specifically... on psychedelics, did you experience a lot of visual hallucinations? And feeling wise, did you experience more freedom, love, openness, release... or more anxiety, fear, nervousness?

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Frosty97 said:

@Leo Gura Could you tell me what it means when you say "If your inclined to do this work"?

Also I'm not the usual schizophrenic in that I don't hear any voices and stuff like that. I can see how one can go to that direction though.

What symptoms do you have then? There are many so-called "schizofreniform" conditions and schizophrenia is only one of them. Although it's technically possible to be diagnosed with schizophrenia without specifically hearing voices, in that case it's much more likely that you would be diagnosed with something like schizotypal personality disorder (but I don't know what your doctor told you).

Edited May 13, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[mandyjw]

I had a snowball like effect of realizations, mystical experiences, challenges, deep focus on spirituality, starting to talk, write and interact with others here on the forum, making connections to what I was thinking to what I was seeing. I started becoming intensely focused, stopped eating and sleeping normally. Started barfing up old memories seen in a beautiful new light. It culminated in a completely different state, a completely different kind of seeing like you described. Because it was somewhat intentional and I thought I sort of knew what I was getting into (I had no idea), and it felt so right and so amazing I had few thoughts of "I'm insane, this is bad" come up. I was also able to just barely hold it together enough to function day to day life wise. I mildly concerned a few family members, my husband was too intimately part of my life to not be completely drawn into it with me, but everything turned out better than ok. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Frosty97 said:

Could you tell me what it means when you say "If your inclined to do this work"?

I don't remember the context in which I said this.

You'd have to give me more context.

It seems like you're reading something special into that phrase when it was just as simple invitation to self-reflect.

[Frosty97]

@Carl-Richard Well one of them is I see random patterns or images in somethings unintentionally. Like visually in the sky or on a view of mountains or in the bathroom tile floor or on the wallpapers I see a face or an animal or when I watched porn a lot that week I see a vagina shape in something.

yeah at first when I was diagnosed schizophrenia I searched deeply into schizotypal or schizoid or whatever I might be categorized into but now I think I'm passed that point.

Oh and another thing that I can do is when I hear a certain sound that sounds like a part of a some song, music, sound I know(or heard before), I can play the full song, sound in my head with it sounding almost real.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Frosty97
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[Frosty97]

@Nahm At that time I thought things into existance, or more like I hoped things didn't materialize as I thought them.

[Frosty97]

@mandyjw I'm not sure what your trying to say here.

[Frosty97]

@Leo Gura Oh and another thing that I can do is when I hear a certain sound that sounds like a part of a some song, music, sound I know(or heard before), I can play the full song, sound in my head with it sounding almost real.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Frosty97 said:

Well one of them is I see random patterns or images in somethings unintentionally. Like visually in the sky or on a view of mountains or in the bathroom tile floor or on the wallpapers I see a face or an animal

This is a classic psychedelic effect. It's a sign of the loosening of consciousness into a more fluid, imaginative state.

When I look at my couch pillow on LSD, I start to see a thousands eyes looking back at me. My consciousness first imagines them and then they materialize -- since physical objects are imaginary.

[Frosty97]

@Leo Gura My ego is kind of boosted right now from hearing you say these things!

I have you as my higher authority which I shouldn't but it's gratifying.

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Frosty97 said:

@Nahm At that time I thought things into existance, or more like I hoped things didn't materialize as I thought them.

Focus on better feeling thoughts. That which you would like to manifest. Get the juice out of the having worried for nothing. I was asking about your psychedelic experiences wondering if you have that frame of reference to make comparisons. What you’re describing sounds a lot like the 3 g mushroom zone. Where meaning goes from particle to wave, flirting with the fringe of infinite mind / imagination ‘zone’. In either case, grounding practices are helpful in not getting too swept up in thought, perception, or ego boosts. If you have a unique gift, align it’s usage with it’s source and it’ll blow your mind. I assume. 

[Eren Eeager]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When I look at my couch pillow on LSD

You never talked about Your acid trips.

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Frosty97 said:

Oh and another thing that I can do is when I hear a certain sound that sounds like a part of a some song, music, sound I know(or heard before), I can play the full song, sound in my head with it sounding almost real.

I managed to do that when I was very high on weed once. Fun times.

According to your descriptions, those do indeed sound like they fall in the category of the so-called "positive symptoms" of schizophrenia, which with enough number and regularity, could qualify as a diagnosis.

Now, I'm wasn't trying to out-do your doctor or anything stupid like that ? (simply curious). It's interesting how "spectrumy" these conditions can be.

[Frosty97]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

"positive symptoms" of schizophrenia, which with enough number and regularity, could qualify as a diagnosis.

Is it? Because when I did it, it wasn't real sound and I can stop it . For schizophrenics they really actually hear sounds and they can't control it.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Frosty97
grammar check

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Frosty97 said:

Is it? Because when I did it, it wasn't real sound and I can not do it . For schizophrenics they really actually hear sounds and they can't control it.

Oh I'm sorry, I was talking about seeing patterns and faces in objects when talking about positive symptoms. The song thing is just a sign of having an immersive imagination, but then of course it has to be said that these things are linked (although not necessarily the same). You could say that the positive schizophrenia symptoms is just when your imagination gets out of hand. Like schizophrenia, imagination exists on a spectrum, and reality is a dance on that spectrum.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Frosty97 said:

I have you as my higher authority

Be careful.

Validate for yourself.

[TheSomeBody]

beeing in a war zone if you can handle the paranoia haha

[AtheisticNonduality]

Apophenia.