Are psychiatrist diagnosing their patients by guessing?

[SolarWarden]

"Psychiatrists are the only specialists who virtually never look at the organ they treat"

- Quote from the video

I was in distress during my education years. Got treated for bipolar by a psychiatrist. I quit seeing him and did some consciousness work and it made my problem obsolete.

I wonder now what a difference between a mental illness and a spiritual experience is.

What is even a "mental illness"?

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by SolarWarden

[bejapuskas]

I know there once used to be an active user on this forum from Germany, who mentioned that he was taken to a psychiatric hospital for talking about his mystical states. This was not even one of the hardcore psychedelic users kind of guys who posted while high, no. This was a sober seeker. I hope that mystical experiences get destigmatized in this way, I remember being afraid of talking about my own insights at the beginning, because I was afraid of being hospitalized.

It is true that many psychiatric drugs are addictive, they are super expensive, people often cannot afford them. And then they become addicted to them and they are doomed. The drugs are also not as effective, they do not work in the majority of cases. Precision psychiatry is the next step, and psychedelic therapy.

Some people are discussing the possible benefits and unique traits of "mentally ill", which is interesting.

[Shin]

You can't not guess when you treat a patient as a therapist because,

There is not such things as a mental illness, those are labels we create to diagnostic a treatment and a support system for the patient.
In reality, there is no such thing as a "psychological disease", we created it by imposing a label from certain tendancies of the mind.
We have no ideas what really cause the "x psychological disease", we only know the symptoms, and with the symptoms we create a label out of it.

When you treat a patient for a heart disease, it's concrete, there is a heart problem (may be caused by something else yes, but concrete), and you can pinpoint exactly where it comes from.
In psychology, you can't, not for all ailments anyway (some with irm we know exactly).

I'd say a lot of those "diseases" are actually a problem of consciousness being extremely fragmented/distorted, and the only one we can cleary define as illnesses are the one with specifics injuries of the brain (aphasias for example).

Edited May 11, 2021 by Shin

[SolarWarden]

4 hours ago, bejapuskas said:

I know there once used to be an active user on this forum from Germany, who mentioned that he was taken to a psychiatric hospital for talking about his mystical states. This was not even one of the hardcore psychedelic users kind of guys who posted while high, no. This was a sober seeker. I hope that mystical experiences get destigmatized in this way, I remember being afraid of talking about my own insights at the beginning, because I was afraid of being hospitalized.

 

Yes, I get that fear too. Even in spiritual circles I feel like a lunatic to others when I share my spiritual experiences.

Hopefully humanity through a psychological-spiritual revolution in the scientific field sooner rather than later.

4 hours ago, Shin said:

You can't not guess when you treat a patient as a therapist because,

There is not such things as a mental illness, those are labels we create to diagnostic a treatment and a support system for the patient.
In reality, there is no such thing as a "psychological disease", we created it by imposing a label from certain tendancies of the mind.
We have no ideas what really cause the "x psychological disease", we only know the symptoms, and with the symptoms we create a label out of it.

When you treat a patient for a heart disease, it's concrete, there is a heart problem (may be caused by something else yes, but concrete), and you can pinpoint exactly where it comes from.
In psychology, you can't, not for all ailments anyway (some with irm we know exactly).

I'd say a lot of those "diseases" are actually a problem of consciousness being extremely fragmented/distorted, and the only one we can cleary define as illnesses are the one with specifics injuries of the brain (aphasias for example).

I agree with you.

There is a whole lot to explore in this field and it is unremarkable. I think psychology should join with spirituality in this quest to understand the psyche. Sort of combine head and heart into one science.

 

Another note:

I actually didn't know what words to use to explain my suffering to the doctor. Then I found articles about bipolar on the net. I was like "that seems to explain it" then told him about how up and down I felt periodically and got medication for bipolar and got a free pass away from the military because of it. Lol.

 

[Shin]

19 minutes ago, SolarWarden said:

Yes, I get that fear too. Even in spiritual circles I feel like a lunatic to others when I share my spiritual experiences.

Hopefully humanity through a psychological-spiritual revolution in the scientific field sooner rather than later.

I agree with you.

There is a whole lot to explore in this field and it is unremarkable. I think psychology should join with spirituality in this quest to understand the psyche. Sort of combine head and heart into one science.

 

Another note:

I actually didn't know what words to use to explain my suffering to the doctor. Then I found articles about bipolar on the net. I was like "that seems to explain it" then told him about how up and down I felt periodically and got medication for bipolar and got a free pass away from the military because of it. Lol.

 

Well you agree with my teacher actually

It made a lot of sense to me, mental illnesses with a healthy brain can't come from anything else than the fragmentation of the ego :3

Of course the teacher don't see it that way though

[Nahm]

21 hours ago, Shin said:

Of course the teacher don't see it that way though

? 

? 

You just started a revolution. 

[Shin]

28 minutes ago, Nahm said:

? 

? 

You just started a revolution. 

No need for revolution, there is a field of psychology about consciousness already

[kag101]

Just because you can't measure an illness, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

“Somehow, like so many people who get depressed, we felt our depressions were more complicated and existentially based than they actually were.”
― Kay Redfield Jamison

 

On 11/05/2021 at 6:36 AM, SolarWarden said:

I quit seeing him and did some consciousness work and it made my problem obsolete.

How long have you been stable?