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[Tim R]

5 minutes ago, Enlightenment said:

@ilja Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies to mathematics and extending it to deeper metaphysics is very far fetched IMO. 

@Enlightenment Doesn't matter, because the point Leo was trying to make in that video is that you can't see a system as a whole from within itself. You have to go meta if you want to understand until you can't go any more meta - aka infinity. You can't get past infinity. Which is also the same as saying that the universe is groundless. 

[something_else]

13 minutes ago, Enlightenment said:

@ilja Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies to mathematics and extending it to deeper metaphysics is very far fetched IMO. 

 

I haven't watched the Gödel video, but I can imagine how considering the metaphysical implications would be worthwhile, or at least interesting. 

It demonstrates the absolute limits of symbolic logic and mathematics, two of the most widespread ways for reasoning about reality that humanity has. Why not consider the metaphysics of that?

[Zion]

That page is hilarious

[Danioover9000]

@Enlightenment

1 hour ago, Enlightenment said:

@ilja Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies to mathematics and extending it to deeper metaphysics is very far fetched IMO. 

 

   This is valid if there's no interest in going meta on the theorem, and going through the implications that this could have for the world and objectivity. 

[Leo Gura]

If you actually bother to read Godel's dialogues and personal letters (which I did) you would learn that Godel was profoundly metaphysical and sharply criticized the non-metaphysical rationalists of his day as being mindless and clueless. Godel was a Platonist. Godel's thinking extended far beyond any strict logic proofs. But to a mindless rationalist only a strict logic proof of anything counts. They simply refuse to consider or think deeply about any implications by saying, "But it's not in the formal proof, so it's just woo-woo stuff".

But the entire point of Godel's theorems was to prove that Truth cannot be captured by any proof!

There are also more generalized proofs with Tarksi's Incomplete Theorem. But the rationalists have no interest in such things.

They simply have no interest in connecting the dots, and as soon as they see someone connecting the dots they cry, "New Age mumbo jumbo!" and think they are being rational. This is exactly the kind of thinking Godel warned against.

[Inliytened1]

On 5/10/2021 at 0:49 AM, Leo Gura said:

 

Sounds a lot like Joseph Maynor's ego

Yup for sure haha.

[Carl-Richard]

On 10.5.2021 at 7:14 PM, Scholar said:

I love how oranges have to take any opportunity to "debunk" veganism lol. They get triggered by it even if it's not the topic at hand.

It's like the most compulsive and hyper-corrosive type of cynicism. It's like "fuck you, fuck you, and by the way, fuck you too!" They can't control it 

[ilja]

@Enlightenment i don't see why not.

[hyruga]

Unfortunately, RationalWiki is written by people who are not rational at all. They should at the very least back up every controversial statement with reason(s) and not give useless opinion (without facts to back them up).

They might as well called themselves 'AgainsteverythingWiki' or 'F.everythingwiki'.

Edited May 12, 2021 by hyruga

[Godhead]

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the $250 Ultimate Life Purpose Course,[39] in which he teaches you the meaning of life, might as well be a blood sacrifice with pentagrams and candles strewn around a frigid gothic abyss 

Lmao

Leo got exposed