China's toxicity uncensored.

[Eren Eeager]

If you want know to how toxic is china, yous should follow this channel. It is specialized in exposing all the evil things china is doing to its own people and anyone related to china. China is way less developed than the US and even Russia and its increasing power is actually something to be afraid of. China has already manipulated a lot of third world countries into many devilish schemes.

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by Eren Eeager

[Eren Eeager]

@Zeitgeist I don't think so. The US has its own problems for sure but nothing at the level of toxicity of china. You have been to china as a tourist, not as a citizen. Being a citizen in china has some common with b3ing in north korea. Google and all other non chinese social media means are prohibited, critisizing the regime is a crime and media is heavily censored.

[Eren Eeager]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

To them this is not a problem because they tend to view themselves as a part of a larger whole where everybody has to do their part and be a good citizen, kinda like in an ant colony.

Yeah and slaves used to think that slavery is for their own good and white people are actuallyt aking care of them

The idea you presented is what a stage green society looks like but that is not what happening in China. China system is stage blue and not a healthy one actually. The Chinese party is a dictator and it is preventing ant other parties from emerging and preventing people from expressing any kind of dissent. This presents a huge problem to the developmentof democracy and actually any kind of development. Development needs criticism.

 

 

[Eren Eeager]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You just assume that democracy is superior and everyone wants that. This is not the case. Western values are not shared by everyone.

Of course democarcy is better. Democracy is anti-dictatorship and prevents tyrants from rising. A good authority figure is good but this is not what happens in most senarios. In most senarios you will end up with either lazy governments or worse, dictators.

 

 

[Windappreciator]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Don't be fooled by this. I've been to China and the US and I known people in both countries. These days, if anything, the US is less developed than China. The American ego will never admit this though, of course. 

Yeah, that is not the case..

if you don't like climate change and animal abuse, you should not be in favour of chinese culture over usa.

same goes for human rights and parenting.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Windappreciator

[erik8lrl]

Democracy is good especially for a developed nation with a medium/small population, but it is not absolute good. Democracy is a natural stage of societal development, but not a stage that can be forced. In other words, democracy alone will not bring healthy development of society, but the healthy development of society will naturally develop democracy over time. Trying to implement democracy in an underdeveloped society will do more harm than good. 

As someone who also has lived in both China and the US, I think both are moving toward democracy(or better democracy for the US). However, the definition of democracy is very different between the two due to cultural differences. To most Chinese people, democracy is very pragmatic and not ideological. In Chinese, the word democracy literally means "people first." To them, the ability to vote for the president doesn't matter as long as the government is putting the people first and serving the people. Which the Chinese government is doing and the living condition of the entire nation is improving every day. They don't care about the right to choose what policy to vote for because the government listens to their feedback and helps solve their problems. They care about the freedom to buy houses and cars and have a family and business, and just living better lives, for that they are okay with sacrificing the right to own a gun or to vote. In terms of day-to-day life, the Chinese people have just as much freedom as people in the US. The Chinese government is super efficient, and they get things done really fast; if you've been to China in the past 20 years, you will see this clearly, the speed of development in China is insane. The truth is Chinese people support the Chinese government because they help them live a better life. Harvard study shows that 95% of the Chinese people support the government. I think as development continues they will naturally become more and more democratic as people become wealthier and more educated and their society develops consciously. It's all part of the process. The Chinese government is not a dictatorship; it is very authoritarian if you compare it to the US, but power is distributed within the party, and there are parties within the CPC that represent different aspects/parts of the nation. I wrote about their governmental system here. 

In the US, I think there is a problem that's showing the weakness of democracy. When you have a population that's not developed consciously enough to the point of good sensemaking, the population will be very easily manipulated. Thus those who have control over information and media have control over democracy. The super-rich will have the most power and continue to grow their capital while the living condition of the rest gets worse and worse. This is also a natural part of the process tho, as more and more people become developed, they will see the manipulation more clearly and fight against it. Currently, there has been a cold war between the US and China/Russia for a while now. So take everything you see with skepticism because all western media will only report negative news on China. Basically, good news from China is ignored, and bad news is made 10 times worse. Not to say that China is all good, but that most western mainstream media is so biased against China. This is all to manufacture consent in the public for a potential hot war with China. Same way as how they did it to Iraq and other middle eastern nations. China's development is a huge threat to those in power because China's system(Chinese socialism) is the opposite of their ideal. They will lose all their power and capital if China continues to grow. This is why they need to make China seems like the greatest threat.    

These days almost all media is biased, so I think the best thing to do is to listen to all perspectives and draw a line in the middle. That's probably the closes to the truth. 

Here are some sources of other perspectives just to balance the narrative: 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxEQsjgRRfGWiJJu_PDygxw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEXR8pRTkE2vFeJePNe9UcQ

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNiXhsI4QtmQaeICpT-k7BQ

https://www.youtube.com/c/BarrettYT/videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG29FnXZm4F5U8xpqs1cs1Q

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by erik8lrl

[Windappreciator]

@erik8lrl

listen, from an ethical pov china is not above the usa, and that is what in the end matters to every being.

that chinese people dont care about choosing for themselves shows how undeveloped they are in terms of spiral dynamics and it is not actually a plus.

[Roy]

The evil and corruption in China will collapse the harder it tries to grip to power. With a population of billions of people and those people getting access to better technology, connection with the larger world from the internet, education, and material wealth they will inevitably turn on their government.

It's simply a matter of time.

The idea that China is going to be a menacing totalitarian nightmare that's going to take over the world is laughable. Not that you're saying that with this thread, it's just a paranoid attitude I see becoming pretty rampant.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Roy

[Windappreciator]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is so typical. Americans think their individualistic culture and values are superior to everybody else's and complete ignorance and disregard for other cultures and value systems. 

There is no reason to preserve a culture overall that doesn't meet ethical standards.

That has nothing to do with individualism or being american, i am from europe.

american culture has massive flaws, but it is more ethical than chinese, i like to believe.

i would rather pick the one that is closer to being a compassionate one for humans and animals.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Windappreciator

[erik8lrl]

@Windappreciator They are very much choosing for themselves. By leaving political and governmental problems to those who are competent. If the government is incompetent, they will protest and voice their problems. The government knows well that if the people are unsatisfied, they will overthrow the government, so the government devotes itself to serving the people. The people are still holding the government accountable, and its faith comes from the result that the government brings to each citizen. The result is all that matters to them, are their lives improving? Are their problems being solved? If the US can solve problems for them better than the CPC, the Chinese people would overthrow their government for a superior system(jk). In terms of spiral development, they are mainly orange/blue, with a very small portion of the population going into green. Really not that different from the US, other than that the developmental speed is more normalized since the living condition of Chinese is going up collectively not individually. So in the US, you have people all over the spiral with some very highly developed individuals and some really underdeveloped ones. But in China, development is more normalized to a steady pace across society due to collectivism and socialism. So individually, they develop at a slower speed, but more people are moving up simultaneously.

You seem to have some negative beliefs about China or ethics regarding China. Yes, China has done unethical things in the past but so does every nation in the world. I think is important to have a holistic and true understanding of China before believing/judging too quickly. China today is very different from China just a few years ago. China changes extremely fast. I recommend going to China to see for yourself what it's like, or just study a bit more of Chinese history/culture/politics to have a more holistic understanding of it. 

[Eren Eeager]

@Husseinisdoingfine yeah the channel follows a propaganda like Attitude but it does really a good job in Critisizing China.

[Windappreciator]

@erik8lrl the government already is incompetent and does not listen to protest.

look if you want to be run by a bunch of stage blue sociopath, be my guest and move to china.

i do not appretiate living the medieval ages with advanced technology on the site of the biggots.

if you think you can be a winner in such a society that's fine, but regarding our culture and ethics i want us to progress in the west not regress for blue stage ideology.

this is your shit in a pie, don't bring it to me and expect me to eat it like a simpleton.

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by Windappreciator