Murder and suicide

[Hap E-Boi]

Today I made the realization that murder and suicide could be regarded as the same thing as they are both the killing of an avatar by an avatar within the universal consciousness with the delusion-based intention of one avatar's ego to reduce or take away the avatar's cause suffering.

However in both cases there is survival of this consciousness.

In both cases the killer commits a crime against oneself.

This led me to think that as in many stage orange centered countries, people who attempted suicide often receive (often obligatory) mental health help. I think the same should be done for people who have committed murder.

I think people rarely commit murder because they are truly happy, often “criminals” suffer from a methylation disorder, which can often be fixed with nutrition. I think it would be valuable to put them in Norwegian style ”prisons”, not with the intent to punish (one can only punish themselves after all), but with a very high focus on mental health care and individualized testing, supplementation, diet, meditation, exercise and addiction recovery (including smoking, gaming, etc.).

Also perhaps a focus on developing a musical, or artistic skill, at least for me this is very helpful for my mental health.

I'm interested to see different points of view.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Hap E-Boi

[Bojan V]

Just this Monday a grandson of my mom's cousin completed suicide. He was 18 years old. Many things can be said about it but maybe silence is the most appropriate answer...

[Hap E-Boi]

I'm sorry to hear that.

Losing family or friends to suicide sucks.

I hope you and your family find healthy ways to cope with this tragedy.

[Tetcher]

One important difference between suicide and murder is the pain, fear, suffering and frankly death that you experience when you suicide and not when you murder. 

[Bojan V]

Actualy i barely knew his grandfather and his mother becose we were not in touch, but didn't know the boy at all so it didn't affect me personaly. But still it made me thinking about how unresolved pathological family patterns are transmited from generation to generation... Until somebody can't take it anymore...

[Roy]

On 5/5/2021 at 6:36 AM, Hap E-Boi said:

I think people rarely commit murder because they are truly happy, often “criminals” suffer from a methylation disorder, which can often be fixed with nutrition. I think it would be valuable to put them in Norwegian style ”prisons”, not with the intent to punish (one can only punish themselves after all), but with a very high focus on mental health care and individualized testing, supplementation, diet, meditation, exercise and addiction recovery (including smoking, gaming, etc.).

I am extremely for "progressive" prisons and for rehabilitation programs in general, but I don't believe that style of incarceration should outright replace the current system. Rather aspects and resources from it added in as targeted opportunities for those who are ready for it. I think it's easy to get clouded in naivety here. Some egos are so broken and hostile they would make a mockery out of advanced concepts and practices.

Certain dogs only learn important lessons from being hit. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Roy

[Hap E-Boi]

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One important difference between suicide and murder is the pain, fear, suffering and frankly death that you experience when you suicide and not when you murder.

You experience it in both cases, however a murderer ego is most likely not aware. It doesn't change that the murderer's and victim's
 consciousness are one and the same field. Also I don't think people are not likely going to murder if their soul is not being tortured.

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I am extremely for "progressive" prisons and for rehabilitation programs in general, but I don't believe that style of incarceration should outright replace the current system. Rather aspects and resources from it added in as targeted opportunities for those who are ready for it. I think it's easy to get clouded in naivety here. Some egos are so broken and hostile they would make a mockery out of advanced concepts and practices.

Certain dogs only learn important lessons from being hit. 

 

I'd argue that those “broken egos” might in fact have a chemical imbalance due to poor nutrition, substance abuse, stress or undermethylation. It has been proven that supplementation of certain supplements which improve brain health (zinc, omega 3) significantly reduce violent behavior within a prison population.
 

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Hap E-Boi

[Tetcher]

8 hours ago, Hap E-Boi said:

You experience it in both cases, however a murderer ego is most likely not aware. It doesn't change that the murderer's and victim's
 consciousness are one and the same field. Also I don't think people are not likely going to murder if their soul is not being tortured.

If it's all the same field why do you care, let him go to prison or not anyway there are billions of people not in prison.