Is it ethical to give a pet a orgasm?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, TheDao said:

Dogs mix good with people.

I don't know if you want to say that in the context of OP's question

[Shin]

6 hours ago, Preety_India said:

But petting is not the same as slaving. Petting is caring and affection and nursing and feeding. 

 

Pretty sure a lot of slaves' owners thought the exact same way about their slaves.

Remember that at time, slaves weren't seen as human, but as animals being used as labor.

An animal has no real feelings, at least that's what they thought at that time, hell, even children were seen as defective human being that aren't fully human until 20 or something.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Shin

[4201]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So then what's wrong with fingering your dog's butthole?

Right and wrong are whatever you imagine them to be. They always were. The rest is stories you tell yourself.

It's not intrinsically wrong but it's unlikely it will feel good, either for you or for the dog. One may believe that they are some sort of pervert that gets off these type of things, but this belief doesn't make it feel any better.

Sure the "goodness" of the feeling is also interpreted or made up, but even without making it up, the feelings that it will bring are unlikely going to be ones that you enjoy. 

Living a life where you torture other people is not intrinsically wrong either. There's nothing about it that can be proved to be wrong since right or wrong is made up. It just probably doesn't feel right. 

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know if you want to say that in the context of OP's question 

Man this thread 

[Tim R]

Idk about you guys but he looks pretty happy to me humping the dude's hand. 

Watch a dog nut in a cup? Check✅ what am I doing with my life...

[Eren Eeager]

One of my darkest secrets is that  I used to watch a lot of animal porn when I was a teenager. I used to get extremely horny for horse porn,lol. What is the explanation for this phenomenon, beastality? I still believe it is a wrong thing to do but I don't know, what do you think guys? 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Eren Eeager

[Preety_India]

I left the chat. 

Oh wait a minute, there is no I.. 

 

 

[Shin]

15 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

One of my darkest secrets is that  I used to watch a lot of animal porn when I was a teenager. I used to get extremely horny for horse porn,lol. What is the explanation for this phenomenon, beastality? I still believe it is a wrong thing to do but I don't know, what do you think guys? 

Still wondering how that woman could take a horse's dick that thick.

How her vagina can still be in one piece ?

I need an answer !

Edited April 28, 2021 by Shin

[John Iverson]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No they don't. That's some self-serving bullshit humans invented.

That's like saying black people need the care of a slave master. And that is in fact what slave masters believed.

How about if someone say, ohhh Humans and Animals are not the same, you cannot compare it animals being a pet to humans as slaves or lets say you pet a human,  because animals and humans are different ? 

I just wanna know the answer from that kind of angle, 

[Eren Eeager]

@Shin Dude! 

[Etherial Cat]

1 hour ago, 4201 said:

Man this thread 

@Leo Gura

I disagree regarding cats and dogs being slaves.

The examples given to justify that pets are slaves reminds me of my habits of convincing myself that I'm suffering from a disease after I have a few symptoms for it. 

You certainly have similarities, but similarities doesn't mean that it fits the common definition of what a slave is. Just like it's not because I tick 2/6 symptoms to some rare sickness that I have it.

Points of divergences:

1. Slavery is a word which describes an action between humans

• This one may seem irrelevant because the attempt is to extend it to other beings, but to be a slave, you might need a mind of your own and/or the capacity to understand what your master wants. So having a mind, and a free will which is bended is important.
• Domestication or taming is the process of getting animal to conform to our needs and standards, but it is never fully achieved.

2. Slaves are given orders, and have to provide services and value.

• Maybe you can get away with it with dogs, but you ain't gonna get nothing from a cat, for instance.  In fact, there are even conspiracy theories which state that cats are the ones using us for their survival.  And there are no leashes, no catch and fetch, etc. 

Points of convergences:

1. Property/Possession is a common factor

• Pets are owned by their owner like slaves are owned by their masters. It's the legal narrative. Though, I must say that I've always been loathing about the legal status of my animals and wished that we'd be bounded by another legal attachment than property. I'm wondering whether there should be a will to dominate or make of someone a slave in order to be a master. I don't perceive myself as my cat's or fish master. I've always thought myself as its caretaker. 

2.  Choices made on their behalf 

• The dog, or the cat might not want to get his balls chopped. The female cat might not want to be sterilized. But at the same time, they do not understand the greater picture.
• If I were a cat, I'd probably chose to be sterilized over getting 15 pregnancies with 5 kittens each time.
• Also, humans, and especially parents also make choices on the behalf for those whose survival depends on them. Corporal modification goes from vaccines to genital alteration nowadays. But I agree that sterilization itself doesn't happens.

3.  Unequal treatment

• Feeding them with left-overs and cheap foods. Not having as many rights and cares as humans. etc 
• That said, sometimes animals or pets can be treated better than fellow humans

4.  Exploitation

• Circus animals, zoo animals, farm animals. Gruesome mass exploitation for the meat. Few days ago, I compared some type of factory farming and slaughterhouses to concentration camps in a discussion, especially in its industrialization of death. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Etherial Cat

[Eren Eeager]

Guys, Leo is just shitting with you. Don't you know him when he is just playing around. 

[ilja]

No it is not ethical to sexually pleasure animals as it is not ethical to sexually pleasure children.

You responsibility as a human here is to realize how to softly help animals to grow in their own environment, they are not here to be used as bought companions or as an extensions of your narcissism. That means animal companionship is unethical unless it was constructed by "natural" occurrences or for the sake of holistic nourishment, which means breeding them and buying from a breeder are unethical.

[Raphael]

One day I had a threesome with a giraffe and an elephant, it was amazing.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Raphael

[Hap E-Boi]

Legality and morality are two different things.

Eventually morality is relative, there are several stages of morality. Eventually the only moral thing to do is to transcend level after level and go out of Plato's cave.

What one considers immoral depends on once stage of moral development.

Nonetheless I think cutting off balls, walking them on a leash, keeping them in a cage and feeding them junk is far more abusive than rubbing some sensitive spot.

Nonetheless all the former are legal while the latter is not, unless you're breeding them but this is clearly rape.

To put this into a perspective, for years, I've lived in a place in which everything that stood in the way of my desires was immoral/betrayal and deserves the most cruel punishment possible. Everything I wanted was the right way. One truly perceives it as that. This way of thinking not bad, it's more “moral” than stage purple.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Hap E-Boi

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Etherial Cat said:

sometimes animals or pets can be treated better than fellow humans

My Indian doctor told me recently that Americans treat their dogs better than most Indians treat their children.

So maybe you got a point

[Shin]

30 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

@Tim R No ammount of curiousity will make me watch that video?

Why ?

Don't you like happiness ?

There is plenty in it

[CultivateLove]

Here's a million dollar idea for one of you crazy bastards

Pet sex toys

[integral]

Should i give my baby an orgasm? Not to confuse this with having sex with a baby. To help the baby explore their body/sexuality young. It could contribute to spiritual development. There are much deeper relationships with our children that are likely possible. Why is it wrong for a child to want sex from their parents?

We are confusing low consciousness acts of sex with children/animals with high consciousness. Rejection of this is likely all cultural programming. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Okay, enough of this horse play.