Why Do Women Cheat? (The Psychology Behind Cheating)

[intotheblack]

8 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

PUA's kinda seem like a bunch of clowns. No wonder there are so many PUA cringe compilations on youtube. 

Clowns because really that’s what they are, someone dressed up in a disguise to go and play a part. Then they go home and take off the suit ?

[intotheblack]

17 hours ago, Emerald said:

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Weakness of character in men is still weakness. If you were a woman you would see and feel this very palpably. If a man has a deficiency of character, a woman who is attuned to her intuition won’t even get anywhere near him. It’s naturally unappealing.

Women who are attracted to narcissistic/sociopathic men are attracted to them because they are dealing with layers of dysfunction themselves.

It’s unwise to read the results of trauma and how it manifests in women’s relationship patterns as feminine instinct. 

Healthy women aren’t attracted to Shadow Masculinity... they are attracted to positive masculine qualities.

Now, there are many women who are dealing with dysfunction in themselves, and this does make them more likely to attract and be attracted to scrubbier partners. So, behaving that way as a man will get results... especially for women who have weaker boundaries.

But don’t be fooled like so many men are into thinking that that’s what an attractive man looks like. Too many men believe this and are emulating weak men under the misconception that these morally weak men are stronger and more attractive.

Yes exactly.  Do you think the shadow masculinity and shadow feminine will balance out throughout society as they move up the spiral? It seems a lot of the toxic m&f goes on in the lower stages.  Maybe not until society is at yellow or above will there be true balance? 
Each stage has its own toxic traits that they expose in different ways.  
I think this also plays a part in who is attracted to who.  For example, a strong stage red/orange man, wouldn’t be attractive to a stage green girl, and vice versa. 
a stage green woman would want a stage green or above man. Not a stage red narcissist.

Or at least the more real and authentic a person becomes, the less they will be tricked by fake people, because they can sense the inauthenticity. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by intotheblack

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Peter Miklis said:

@Leo Gura He has many infield videos where he's sucessfull,

You actually saw him bang a girl? No.

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and has some student testimonials on his chanel who went from virgin to 50 lays fairly quickly.

Testimonials are worthless because they can easily be purchased or made up.

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But you don't exactly have to pay for his products, he has some insights in his free videos also.

I've hung out with him in Vegas and watched him work.

His entire career began with him trying to steal clients from RSD.

[Etherial Cat]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

women have no idea what they are attracted to and why.

For someone who teaches how to go meta and epistemology, why are you holding the believe that women are incapable of doing so when it comes to what they are attracted to?

I mean, are you a woman yourself? No. So how can you think you know women better than they do, since you are not having the direct experience of it?

There are no way that I'd make the claim that I know better than man themself what they are attracted to, even if I'm sometimes at a better place to perceive some blind spot.

So I can't take seriously this type of statement. It sounds to me like delusion, and also it doesn't match the standards you hold to your usual philosophy.

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

I do know very well what I’m attracted to. I’ve contemplated on that probably more than anything else I ever have.

And I also can generally tell you about why people get attracted to who they get attracted to.

I'm the same here.

I've never contemplated something more than what attracts me, what attracts others, what have been my mistakes, and what are other people's mistake. Of course, I still have blindspot and I keep on figuring out some new elements every other day, but I'm confident that I'm pretty sharp in the domain. To the point that it's mind blowing that someone who isn't even part of the experience dares to tell me that what I know is "false".

And that is because I am really motivated to figure out the truth of what makes a romantic relationship work. I want to know the truth, so I can avoid myself wasting time in whatever doesn't work. Here, my mind works actively with my heart on one of my heart's biggest desire, which is to have an intimate, functional relationship with a man. And it's not only a selfish egoic thing, I often touch deep spiritual realms when I explore the love and affection that I can feel.

9 hours ago, Gili Trawangan said:

Hahaha! Sometimes I wish I could actually experience what a woman's fantasies are like 

9 hours ago, Emerald said:

it’s usually based around something contextual for me if it’s a more heart-centered fantasy. Like, I have a crush on a guy. And then I imagine some scenario where things start off platonic and then there’s a sexual shift, where the context flips in a moment. These fantasies are all about the guy and the exchange of passionate feelings through the medium of sex. 

But the there are more loins-centered fantasies that are like the categories on a porn site. It’s not personal... just about the sexual urge. This one’s a bit more draining... like having a male orgasm is said to be. 

I think this is quite interesting as well as very revealing of what women aspire. I'm also contextual, and based more on heart-centered fantasy. I don't necessarily like things to start platonic as I can pretty fast know that I like someone, but my fantasies would be definitely based on deep and intimate relationship which would need time to build. Passionate, authentic feelings for me aren't built on vaporware.

For my heart to fully open ( which is really the center of what these fantasy are), I need to think and feel that this man is beautiful. The more beautiful I think he is, the more deep my love for him will be. And while it's hard to explain the secret formula hiding in cupid's arrow, I've found out that for me it's tied to his ability to move me by incarnating the Good. So in other words, a man's virtue touches me.

Sex is more than just two bodies rubbing one another. It's also two soul and personality meeting. You can compare the faculty for deep intimacy as soul sex. At my core, my consciousness doesn't like violence, especially when it is unjustified. Someone who is abusing violence isn't appealing deeply to my soul, nor to my mind/heart because I know how to recognize thanks to my wisdom when it is necessary or not.

Also, I like a man to feel and be protective of me and others which is a concurrent virtue to aggression.

My heart centered fantasies also include the ability to trust, let go, contemplate inner beauty, and give affection to a male human in his full Divine Masculine who would also be deeply in touch with his feminine side. 

Having sex with a psychopath/sociopath or a Genghis Khan makes intimacy and this important dimension of sex very difficult, if not to say impossible. . My inner radar would turns on my defense mechanism layers, as I know this person will overstep my boundaries, brutalize me in a matter of time and/or fail to see me, because this is what psychopath do.  Also, when you take 5 minutes to dive into their soul what you see is that this person has to deal with a lot of inner poop. Greed, egoic-complexes, traumas...  I just don't get any wow effect. And you can feel it from their way of relating to you.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Etherial Cat

[intotheblack]

16 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

For someone who teaches how to go meta and epistemology, why are you holding the believe that women are incapable of doing so when it comes to what they are attracted to

Because it doesn’t fit his current agenda ??‍♀️ His dating tips are specifically tailored to this world view.. 

@Leo Gura remember you teach people to see through others bullshit... women are listening too. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by intotheblack

[StarStruck]

16 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

For someone who teaches how to go meta and epistemology, why are you holding the believe that women are incapable of doing so when it comes to what they are attracted to?

I mean, are you a woman yourself? No. So how can you think you know women better than they do, since you are not having the direct experience of it?

There are no way that I'd make the claim that I know better than man themself what they are attracted to, even if I'm sometimes at a better place to perceive some blind spot.

So I can't take seriously this type of statement. It sounds to me like delusion, and also it doesn't match the standards you hold to your usual philosophy.

I'm the same here.

I've never contemplated something more than what attracts me, what attracts others, what have been my mistakes, and what are other people's mistake. Of course, I still have blindspot and I keep on figuring out some new elements every other day, but I'm confident that I'm pretty sharp in the domain. To the point that it's mind blowing that someone who isn't even part of the experience dares to tell me that what I know is "false".

And that is because I am really motivated to figure out the truth of what makes a romantic relationship work. I want to know the truth, so I can avoid myself wasting time in whatever doesn't work. Here, my mind works actively with my heart on one of my heart's biggest desire, which is to have an intimate, functional relationship with a man. And it's not only a selfish egoic thing, I often touch deep spiritual realms when I explore the love and affection that I can feel.

I think this is quite interesting as well as very revealing of what women aspire. I'm also contextual, and based more on heart-centered fantasy. I don't necessarily like things to start platonic as I can pretty fast know that I like someone, but my fantasies would be definitely based on deep and intimate relationship which would need time to build. Passionate, authentic feelings for me aren't built on vaporware.

For my heart to fully open ( which is really the center of what these fantasy are), I need to think and feel that this man is beautiful. The more beautiful I think he is, the more deep my love for him will be. And while it's hard to explain the secret formula hiding in cupid's arrow, I've found out that for me it's tied to his ability to move me by incarnating the Good. So in other words, a man's virtue touches me.

Sex is more than just two bodies rubbing one another. It's also two soul and personality meeting. You can compare the faculty for deep intimacy as soul sex. At my core, my consciousness doesn't like violence, especially when it is unjustified. Someone who is abusing violence isn't appealing deeply to my soul, nor to my mind/heart because I know how to recognize thanks to my wisdom when it is necessary or not.

Also, I like a man to feel and be protective of me and others which is a concurrent virtue to aggression.

My heart centered fantasies also include the ability to trust, let go, contemplate inner beauty, and give affection to a male human in his full Divine Masculine who would also be deeply in touch with his feminine side. 

Having sex with a psychopath/sociopath or a Genghis Khan makes intimacy and this important dimension of sex very difficult, if not to say impossible. . My inner radar would turns on my defense mechanism layers, as I know this person will overstep my boundaries, brutalize me in a matter of time and/or fail to see me, because this is what psychopath do.  Also, when you take 5 minutes to dive into their soul what you see is that this person has to deal with a lot of inner poop. Greed, egoic-complexes, traumas...  I just don't get any wow effect. And you can feel it from their way of relating to you.

You not understanding it is proof that Leo is right. ?

[Etherial Cat]

26 minutes ago, intotheblack said:

Because it doesn’t fit his current agenda ??‍♀️ His dating tips are specifically tailored to this world view..

I think Leo is afraid of feminine love. ??‍♀️

20 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

You not understanding it is proof that Leo is right. ?

Please, have the decency to illustrate how, if you're going to comment.

Don't drop lazy comments like this to invalidate my perspective after I took the time to write a long post. Take the time to explain why I don't understand , from your perspective, instead of behaving like i'm not cogent enough and you're flying far beyond my head.

Thanks.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Etherial Cat

[Consept]

Not saying Leo is 100% correct, but it is a common theme that some women will be adamant that theyre not attracted to someone and then they end up sleeping with them, or they say i dont like this type of person but end of with that type of person. Most romantic films literally start off with the woman not liking the arrogant, but good natured guy and then they end up with him and its 'true love'. This is a constant trope in media which is mostly consumed by women. Also if you ask what some women look for in a guy and then you get the attributes of their previous partners, the two are rarely matching. 

Im not saying women cant contemplate what attracts them, of course they can and if any women would they should include those on the forum. But most women dont, also im not saying men do either its just its far more simpler for them, but even then they probably dont know the root of it. 

[intotheblack]

8 minutes ago, Consept said:

Not saying Leo is 100% correct, but it is a common theme that some women will be adamant that theyre not attracted to someone and then they end up sleeping with them, or they say i dont like this type of person but end of with that type of person. Most romantic films literally start off with the woman not liking the arrogant, but good natured guy and then they end up with him and its 'true love'. This is a constant trope in media which is mostly consumed by women. Also if you ask what some women look for in a guy and then you get the attributes of their previous partners, the two are rarely matching. 

Im not saying women cant contemplate what attracts them, of course they can and if any women would they should include those on the forum. But most women dont, also im not saying men do either its just its far more simpler for them, but even then they probably dont know the root of it. 

This just comes down to being young and naive, and toxic weak guys playing the part of a strong guy and then showing his true colours later.  The girl then learns a lesson. Most girls go through this until they wise up. 
this is why girls get hurt, because the line between strong Good man and strong toxic man is blurry 

they want strong authentic man not fake strong man 

Edited April 28, 2021 by intotheblack

[Leo Gura]

57 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

For someone who teaches how to go meta and epistemology, why are you holding the believe that women are incapable of doing so when it comes to what they are attracted to?

Women are capable of it. But they have little interest in it.

The situation is so bad that I have simply given up on trying to explain attraction to women. It's a pointless effort. I know precisely what attracts them and I simply will embody it. No explanations or discussions.

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I mean, are you a woman yourself? No.

Women are generally not truthful about what they are attracted to because what they tell themselves is one thing, and what they actually respond to is another.

Women create romanticized versions of attraction which suit their fantasies.

To understand what women are actually attracted to requires attracting lots of women. Attraction is ridiculously counter-intuitive and brutal.

[Consept]

4 minutes ago, intotheblack said:

they want strong authentic man not fake strong man 

I agree but this is not very clear as you say. Also they do tend to lie to themselves about what attracts them and maybe justify them being with a toxic, strong man. A good example is if a guy asked a women for advice on how to good with women, majority will say 'be nice, be respectful, be a gentleman', when in reality if you look at the womans previous partners, most likely they were none of what she advised was attractive. 

[intotheblack]

10 minutes ago, Consept said:

I agree but this is not very clear as you say. Also they do tend to lie to themselves about what attracts them and maybe justify them being with a toxic, strong man. A good example is if a guy asked a women for advice on how to good with women, majority will say 'be nice, be respectful, be a gentleman', when in reality if you look at the womans previous partners, most likely they were none of what she advised was attractive. 

Yeah. Well I think in general outside of this forum nobody thinks deeply about this! Everyone’s acting unconsciously for the most part lol 

[SamC]

Woman know what they want, not what they are attracted to.

It's like they are giving the guy they dated advise on how to be a better boyfriend becuase he treated her poorly. It's honestly just simple survival and " overcompensating" pendelum swing reaction against what the guy did wrong... just like when someone reacts against the excess of spiral dynamics color X

That's also why a lot of girls feel misunderstood and like that the guys are not open to " THEIR" experience of what they want which they feel so strongly becuase they have experienced the opposite side of the coin ( what hurtled them) - so strongly before. 

That said - they don't know what will attract them becuase that process is subconsciously driven, while they are focused on what they want consciously.

Edited April 28, 2021 by SamC

[StarStruck]

45 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

I think Leo is afraid of feminine love. ??‍♀️

Please, have the decency to illustrate how, if you're going to comment.

Don't drop lazy comments like this to invalidate my perspective after I took the time to write a long post.

Thanks.

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by StarStruck

[intotheblack]

On the other end of the spectrum, is it true that guys are attracted to bitches? I’ve known many a guy with a real bitchy girlfriend.  And I don’t mean just moody, but mean girls who would keep them in line.

[Emerald]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Women are capable of it. But they have little interest in it.

The situation is so bad that I have simply given up on trying to explain attraction to women. It's a pointless effort. I know precisely what attracts them and I simply will embody it. No explanations or discussions.

What you know is what works for your purposes.  And I’m not saying don’t use those techniques. There are plenty of women who will respond to them.

But what you do not know is what is true, and you’re not even curious. 

Consider why these beliefs about female sexuality are so important for you to hold onto to the point where you refuse to see any other perspective.

My assumption is that you have created a tough armor with these beliefs where you can say, “Got female sexuality figured out. All done with that”. And that way, you can feel more in control and thus avoid being hurt. 

And you’ve experienced enough evidence for you to justify closing the book on the whole matter. 

Keep in mind, I’m not telling you that what you perceive is not there. I’m telling you your view is incomplete. And you refuse to get a more holistic perspective. 

Edit: “I think Leo is afraid of feminine love. ??‍♀️“ @Etherial Cat

I just saw this. That’s what I’m referring to in this post.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Emerald

[Leo Gura]

I have no interest in debating female attraction with females.

Female attraction is something a man should learn through direct experience and then keep his mouth shut.

[Etherial Cat]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Women are capable of it. But they have little interest in it.

Aren't we proving interest, just by having these conversations? 

At best, you could say that our way of doing it is faulty because we're not good either in our ability to go meta, or in our ability to do proper epistemology.

Sounds like a bunch of unproven assumptions to me. It's also quite difficult to deal with people who will challenge you to prove them that you're capable to search for truth as well as they do. It's the very definition of a probatio diabolica.

Also, why would man have more interest than we do?  

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Women are generally not truthful about what they are attracted to because what they tell themselves is one thing, and what they actually respond to is another.

Women create romanticized versions of attraction which suit their fantasies.

We've already discussed these points in previous threads. 

I think very solid points to explain the nuances and causation have been made, which makes these statement difficult to accept as a justification for a lack of meta awareness.

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To understand what women are actually attracted to requires attracting lots of women.

I don't think so. That's an arbitrary standard. Other ways exist to observe female attraction.

Also, you'll attract a specific sample of women which resonate towards a specific methodology and hypothesis.

It can lead to a confirmation bias.

[Shin]

9 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

@intotheblack those are guys with low self esteem and no self respect. No way a bitchy woman is attractive. The only reason guy would settle for a bitch is a) she's physically attractive, b) he feels like he can't do better than her. Probably both

 

i don't think it's just that.

A wild, untamed woman is very attractive, because femininity is at its core very unpredictive and free.

Those woman can be very attractive, just like the pua assholes, they exude something that is crucial to attract the opposite sex, but surrounded with several layers of toxic disfunctions that creates a lot of problems for them and for anyone they enter in contact with.

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Shin

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Peter Miklis said:

@intotheblack those are guys with low self esteem and no self respect. No way a bitchy woman is attractive. The only reason guy would settle for a bitch is a) she's physically attractive, b) he feels like he can't do better than her. Probably both

No, it’s masculine nature. Never listen to a man about what attracts them.

They’ll say, “I don’t like bitchy women. I want a nice submissive woman.” And then, lo and behold... who do they pick? 

I mean, look around and see how many men are with bitchy women... the majority probably. 

(This is what so many men on here sound like. Cherry picking instances where a girl has picked an asshole and then being like, “Female sexuality solved! They just like assholes. So, I need to be one!”)