how is god deluding itself?

[WaveInTheOcean]

9 hours ago, ilja said:

@WaveInTheOcean unfortunately not really.

You mean fortunately. If you did it would be a mess for you to do all those things. And it wouldn't be magic.

You as God fully deliberately designated some of your 'doings' as 'not-your-doings'. 

In other words: you deliberately made some parts of your Infinite Consciousness seem 'unconscious'.

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So really, yes, from one perspective 'you' (as an ego/separate self) do not know how you beat your heart, turn photons into light &colour, and close or open your hand...

But from and other - just as true - perspective, You DO know how; you just do it! Like you digest your food, grow your hair, breathe.

A deep awakening is realizing that *Everything* (from thunder storms to super novas to lions hunting gazzels to your dog popping on the carpet, to your father fucking your mom) IS REALLY YOUR OWN DOING...

So fucking profound to realize this. Self-design. Gigantic Mindfuck. It will floor you and you will cry/laugh like a maniac.

Edited April 25, 2021 by WaveInTheOcean

[ilja]

@Leo Gura  alright

@WaveInTheOcean well, i am /was not questioning that.

Edited April 25, 2021 by ilja

[Breakingthewall]

It seems that God does things at his own pace, right? a few billion years for the bacteria to begin to organize themselves into more complex organisms, another thousands more until after countless attempts the human emerges, and now the human trying to transcend the ego. You don't understand but you're aiming to understand. creativity goes step by step, even God's

[Wilhelm44]

God having fun with self 

[Nahm]

19 hours ago, ilja said:

i am just asking myself how can god delude himself into not seeing everything is it, when all the thoughts are generated by it and not disconnected from it? I still have awareness how am i not able to instantly trace everything back to the source, which is me?

By believing the thoughts it is in the literal sense being. Thought is dualistic, or, implies two. I am just asking myself. Is there an I and a myself, as in two of you? Of course not, but when believing thought one believes so. To believe God deludes itself is to miss this by believing the thought ‘God deludes itself’. That is the delusion. 

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how is this happening (from a more mechanistic interest)?

One, or, ‘the singularity’, God, appears as two, believes thoughts & creates an apparent separate identity, but is always still One, or, is always still the true nature... which is why some thoughts resonate in feeling and some don’t, why it feels good to realize truth. 

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is god actually just conjuring one limited entity at a time but instantly ( or with such a speed ) such that when it is viewing me as someone else it can keep the sense of perceiving it parallel with the help of memory?

God isn’t conjuring something else, God is being whatever is referred to already. Being one lens, made of infinity, is being ‘any number’ of lenses. 

[WaveInTheOcean]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

By believing the thoughts it is in the literal sense being. Thought is dualistic, or, implies two. I am just asking myself. Is there an I and a myself, as in two of you? Of course not, but when believing thought one believes so. To believe God deludes itself is to miss this by believing the thought ‘God deludes itself’. That is the delusion. 

One, or, ‘the singularity’, God, appears as two, believes thoughts & creates an apparent separate identity, but is always still One, or, is always still the true nature... which is why some thoughts resonate in feeling and some don’t, why it feels good to realize truth. 

God isn’t conjuring something else, God is being whatever is referred to already. Being one lens, made of infinity, is being ‘any number’ of lenses. 

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[The0Self]

The certain one attempts to crucify the awake one within -- but the awake one is untouchable, and the certain one is imaginary.

Imaginary since, by definition, one can't actually be certain of something that's unknowable, so if this illogical possibility seems to happen, it's just an illusion. This doesn't mean one can't colloquially "know"/understand things about the mystery -- there just won't be any certainty or doubt.

If one is ever certain of something, they could notice that, and realize it's impossible -- well, if they are certain but being certain is impossible, then that identity is clearly impossible -- they're in a circular dream.

Apart from that delusion, all-that-is/God doesn't delude itself, it just fills emptiness and empties fullness.

Edited April 25, 2021 by The0Self

[ilja]

@Nahm hm, i don't think you understand me.

Edited April 25, 2021 by ilja

[ilja]

@The0Self i believe i already was that far, but it was still a good addition, with your wording.

i imagined myself to be in pain and struggle and denying my here self who is imagining, with a gesture like putting myself aside and focusing what is infront of me as the imaginary self and then i suddenly withdrew as my here self and it was a bit relieving. maybe i got a glimpse of it, but that doesn't answer my questions, quite.

Edited April 25, 2021 by ilja

[Nahm]

22 minutes ago, ilja said:

@Nahm hm, i don't think you understand me.

I completely absolutely understand you. 

I don’t understand you at all. 

What difference was made?

Other examples of infinite being being thoughts... me...understanding...you...I.

[The0Self]

@ilja I guess you could say another answer to your question is: Infinity. But that's not an answer with much explanatory power. It's a mystery, ultimately. Infinite intelligence. God is only everything, so if there is an assumption that someone sometimes see's something other than it -- that assumption is a hidden knowing or belief about God/truth, and knowing the unknowable is a contradictory dream that seems real.

[ilja]

@Nahm hm, yah maybe, let me come back to it.

[Nahm]

6 hours ago, ilja said:

@Nahm hm, yah maybe, let me come back to it.

Another approach is to consider the opposite of “how is God deluding itself”. Loosely, the opposite of delusion could be understanding, and the opposite of God deluding itself would be God is not deluding itself. (The opposite being illusion would be fun to explore as well)

What if God is not deluding itself at all, that being an assumption, and the delusion is that of possessing understanding... (about God)? 

God would then believe there is something it doesn’t understand which it needs to understand - so that it isn’t deluding itself - about it being, God.     But, everything there could be said to be understood, would already be, God. 

Then understanding pales to inspecting thought attachment, or, beliefs about there being objects and individuals which are not God. 

That there is something to understand, and that understanding is a possession... would then be seen as a dualistic belief, (understander and understanding, aka my understanding, my delusion, like my intelligence, or my awareness) and without that belief could there still be delusion? Who or what remains which could be deluded, and by what separate thing, object, self or being, could God be deluded by? 

I suppose the dilemma is God can sometimes appear to not be able to decipher between itself and experience, yet Truth is the greatest inspector of itself, as it can not begin to inspect itself. But there is nothing wrong (imo) with the experience.  

[GoobyBooby]

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[ilja]

@Nahm don't you think that understanding can be so absolute that it reaches non dualistic state? Afterall people can hold the belief that one can understand everything with enough methods and data (you could say that may be delusional). Now granted that most people don't include different modes of understanding and rather view it from one eye (like physics paradigm), but i can see how, via including different view angles onto all the different modes of perception can lead to a mind ever closer to the absolute and even though it is infinite.

 

@GoobyBooby sigh..

[Nahm]

@ilja

Apparently, yes. 

[Eternal Unity]

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