how is god deluding itself?

[ilja]

i am just asking myself how can god delude himself into not seeing everything is it, when all the thoughts are generated by it and not disconnected from it? I still have awareness how am i not able to instantly trace everything back to the source, which is me?

how is this happening (from a more mechanistic interest)? is god actually just conjuring one limited entity at a time but instantly ( or with such a speed ) such that when it is viewing me as someone else it can keep the sense of perceiving it parallel with the help of memory?

Edited April 24, 2021 by ilja
addtition, grammar

[ilja]

hello?

[WaveInTheOcean]

The infinite (God) cannot know its own nature (infinity, Love, God) without the contrast of the finite.

You see, it's the same with up and down. You can't know up without down.

Or light and darkness. A shadow is only created because of the light.

Etc.

So God created the ego (apparant separte self) and tricked Herself into believing He's a human separate person.

Through the human incarnation God can then -- if you go on the path of self-realization... all will sooner or later -- get to know Itself again. 

This is enlightenment. Awakening.

YOU ARE GOD.

You are God tricking Itself into believing it is not-God but a seperate self. 

It's amazing and hilarious.

Read 

"how is this happening (from a more mechanistic interest)? is god actually just conjuring one limited entity at a time but instantly ( or with such a speed ) such that when when it is viewing me as someone else it can keep the sense of perceiving it parallel with the help of memory?"

God isn't conjuring any entity. There is only ONE entitiy in the whole of existence, namly EXISTENCE ITSELF. In other words: GOD!

Everything other than God is ALSO just GOD. You are GOD. We can all it INFINITE IMAGINATION. God is capable of that. Infinite imagination. Including all this human petty drama. Haha.

The reason? Love. 

Now you cannot understand this through logic. Whatever concepts you try to use to try to understand it, (e.g. "speed, time, instantly, parrallel, memory, parallel memory) it is not IT.

Memory is imagined.

The future is imagined.

The past is imagined.

Hate is imagined.

Evil is imagined.

The ego is imagined.

The separate self is imagined.

Time is imagined.

Speed is imagined.

Logic is imagined.

Human bodies are imagined. Others are imagined.

You as a concept, a person, is imagined!

It's just just imagination. And YOU are doing it. You are imagining it all, including the current experience of being a human being confused about how God does x and Y .. .:D  = D =D 

Edited April 24, 2021 by WaveInTheOcean

[Moksha]

Do we delude ourselves when we dream? 

[ilja]

@WaveInTheOcean

hm, yeah that's a good addition, but i still do not see why there is this "delay" for the finite to realize itself as the infinite, when awareness is what connects both.

[WaveInTheOcean]

6 minutes ago, ilja said:

@WaveInTheOcean

hm, yeah that's a good addition, but i still do not see why there is this "delay" for the finite to realize itself as the infinite, when awareness is what connects both.

There is a delay because you deep deep deep down wanted a delay. You wanted the play of hide and seek.

You wanted to fool yourself completely. To trick yourself into being "not-God".

The only way to 'find' yourself again is to transcend your ego. And I described that in the link I made.


You are still stuck in duality.

There ACTUALLY is NO such things as "finiteness".

"The finite" doesn't exist! It is an illusion. Reality is ALWAYS INFINITE, ETERNAL, ONE and Whole. ONENESS is what IS. 

"The finite" is IMAGINED. Just that. Illusion. Pure mysterious magic. Your divine power to imagine all kinds of CRAzy faR out STuFF.

The illusory finite imagined construct ..., what you identify as 'I/me' ... CANNOT realize itself to be the Infinite, because IT DOESNT exist... in other words: "IT" already IS 'THE INFINITE AKA GOD AKA LOVE' ! HAHA  <3 

So in that sense there is NOTHING to realize. Only: filters and beliefs to be dropped.

The illusory "finite" imagined construct is ALWAYS the infinite's imagination/play/Love-creation. 

So as long as you (deep down) want to 'play' (being a separate self in an external crazy world) you will play.

If you say now "I don't want to play anymore!" then that is your ego speaking. But it's still a good start. 

The path towards awakening starts with wanting to break free of the bars of ego. A deep desire to be free. 

Prepare for suffering.

Prepare for Love. For God.

It will be brutal, but amazing in the end.

Edited April 24, 2021 by WaveInTheOcean

[BipolarGrowth]

God always sees everything that is. God is everything that is. There just so happens to be a narrative going on in our case which says “This isn’t God. This isn’t everything that is. What is experienced right now isn’t the Source.” It’s ironic you’re asking how this happens when you’re the one doing it ? Examine every assumption you have such as God is this, the Source is that, I am a separate and lower thing than the Source or God, etc. Whatever process you’re witnessing when you examine these assumptions is exactly how “God deludes itself.” Truthfully, God does not delude itself. God is. Existence is. And within what is right now, one possibility we see is that a character with a limited identity can occur within what is. When this is what is, this occurrence within what is takes center stage to give a story to what is occurring. This process is no more or less delusional than a flower growing toward the sun or a rain drop falling to the Earth. The character just loves to see things as true vs. delusional. Without the character to create the experience/belief of delusion being the case, you will find no delusion in anything you see. 
 

Hope this helps. 

[ilja]

@WaveInTheOcean

i have red the post on the link, but not watched the video, i want to go for a contemplative approach here.

i still do not see why there is no effortless "switch", from a functional pov.

Edited April 24, 2021 by ilja

[WaveInTheOcean]

10 minutes ago, ilja said:

@WaveInTheOcean

i still do not see why there no effortless "switch", from a functional pov.

Functional pov. haha. Nah, I get ya, it can be hard to see. I don't understand it either to be honest. What can we do...we are God imagining Itself to be stupid humans. Lets have fun and Love while it lasts, I'm sure we will laugh our socks of later at some point over our ignorance.

[ilja]

@BipolarGrowth i am not judging the delusion, i take the good will of this though.

[WaveInTheOcean]

 
 

 

[ilja]

@WaveInTheOcean

[WaveInTheOcean]

6 minutes ago, ilja said:

@WaveInTheOcean

 <3 

[Leo Gura]

Exactly as you do in a dream.

[WaveInTheOcean]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Exactly as you do in a dream.

oh yes, forgot the dream analogy. always on point that one.

[ilja]

@Leo Gura i have no idea how

[WaveInTheOcean]

39 minutes ago, ilja said:

@Leo Gura i have no idea how

do you know how you beat your heart or turn the sun rays into light? or close your hand into a fist?

[ilja]

@WaveInTheOcean unfortunately not really.

[Blackhawk]

A interesting question is: why would God delude himself?

Maybe because he or you don't want to know the truth?

That would make seeking for truth a bad thing.

Just some thoughts. I don't know the answer.

[Leo Gura]

Don't think of it as delusion, think of it as a Universal Mind dreaming. Minds dream. That's what it do.