The false rape problem

[Epikur]

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 The FBI has put the number of "unfounded" rapes - those determined to be false after investigation - at 8%.


False rape accusations very rarely lead to convictions or wrongful jail time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684

Edited April 4, 2021 by Epikur

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, krockerman said:

Did we ever say that false rape is a bigger problem? 

Calm down, cowboy, it was my just my opinion. 

[krockerman]

Just now, Rilles said:

Calm down, cowboy, it was my just my opinion. 

I have to say with all my respect that I agree with you

[Epikur]

2 minutes ago, krockerman said:

Did we ever say that false rape is a bigger problem? 

Depends on the context if it affects you. When you are as a man confronted with the situation you might think different. It might be a bigger problem for you because your life will be destroyed.

[Gesundheit]

1 hour ago, krockerman said:

Ofc there is another side of rapist men who get away with rape due to the lack of evidence.

My question will the issue of rape ever be solved because it's so hard to disprove. 9/10 women would probably never do this.

There's a branch of science called forensic medicine that deals with this sort of stuff. These things are not so hard to disprove like you imagine. They require specialists with knowledge and experience. These specialists are trained and can discern with high accuracy whether the accusations are true or false.

Luckily, someone who uses these kinds of tricks to manipulate others does not know about this science, so they make mistakes along the way of committing their false accusations. Those mistakes are where they set themselves up for embarrassment, fines, and even serving a sentence.

This isn't something to worry about.

[krockerman]

Just now, Epikur said:

Depends on the context if it affects you. When you are as a man confronted with the situation you might think different. It might be a bigger problem for you because your life will be destroyed.

ofc that almost happend to my friend. But on a big scale, more women are raped than men are falsely accused. But it still a problem that some men are falsely accused. However. What is worse depends on the context as you said. Both can be devastating. Relativity  

[Preety_India]

False rape accusations do not cause anywhere near the damage as true cases cause to real victims 

 

It's not about solving the problem. It's just a by product. 

There are false cases of robberies and thefts too. People who get falsely accused of theft due to some misunderstanding or false evidence 

 

Why don't we talk about that? 

Why only talk about false rape cases? 

People get planted with drugs and accused of drug possession.. 

Then why don't we talk about that? 

If you had to go to jail on a false accusation, it could literally be anything. Why only rape? 

It seems the Agenda behind bringing up false rape cases is to undermine true cases

Because with almost any kind of crime, there are innocent people who serve time for murder or theft they didn't commit. 

Then why is rape any different? 

 

The agenda smells fishy and bogus 

 

 

[krockerman]

Just now, Gesundheit said:

There's a branch of science called forensic medicine that deals with this sort of stuff. These things are not so hard to disprove like you imagine. They require specialists with knowledge and experience. These specialists are trained and can discern with high accuracy whether the accusations are true or false.

Luckily, someone who uses these kinds of tricks to manipulate others does not know about this science, so they make mistakes along the way of committing their false accusations. Those mistakes are where they set themselves up for embarrassment, fines, and even serving a sentence.

This isn't something to worry about.

That sounds like a great solution

[Opo]

4 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Sorry, I didnt mean to say they are the same, I meant rape culture is a problem that is more serious, a small handful of misandrist women that falsely accuse men I see as a smaller problem. 

It's not just the false accusations.

A lot of men have subconscious fear of the accusation of course less than women fear being raped but still if we could improve the situation by educating men of what is ok and what isn't plus improving the justice part we should. 

I'm thinking especially about the gamer types. There are a lot of them. 

[krockerman]

6 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

False rape accusations do not cause anywhere near the damage as true cases cause to real victims 

 

It's not about solving the problem. It's just a by product. 

There are false cases of robberies and thefts too. People who get falsely accused of theft due to some misunderstanding or false evidence 

 

Why don't we talk about that? 

Why only talk about false rape cases? 

People get planted with drugs and accused of drug possession.. 

Then why don't we talk about that? 

If you had to go to jail on a false accusation, it could literally be anything. Why only rape? 

It seems the Agenda behind bringing up false rape cases is to undermine true cases

Because with almost any kind of crime, there are innocent people who serve time for murder or theft they didn't commit. 

Then why is rape any different? 

 

The agenda smells fishy and bogus 

 

 

First of all that totally depends on the context. If a woman have sex beacuse of a pushy man that can be seen as rape. You are right that she got psycologial damage from that. I don't deny it. But a man who gets falsely accused may commit suicide like my friend. In this context who got the most damage?

I don't understand. We talk about that all the time. 

If you talk about rape being a problem in our society is it fair for me to say "well murder, theft and violence are also a problem. Why do you talk about rape? how is rape any different?" Do you see the problem with that sort of rhetoric? I would instead talk with you about how to solve it rather than blaming you. I am not here to talk about if we should talk about but how to solve it. Talking about an issue doesn't solve it unless you present solutions.  

Edited April 4, 2021 by krockerman

[throaway]

27 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Of course it should be dealt with, but calling it the "False rape problem" seems to be blowing it out of proportion, the real problem is rape culture. Plus, it is way worse to be raped than to be accused of being a rapist. 

How do you know, have you experienced both? Because I have. And I would rather be raped and beaten violently 10 times over being falsely accused of rape. I'm not downplaying being raped, it can be 10x worse than what I went through but that doesn't mean being falsely accused is no big deal.

Neither is objectively worse than the other, each individual will have a different experience. Stop downplaying what I had to go through because it was by far the worst thing that has ever happened to me. Have you actually read or studied what happens to someone when they're falsely accused? Have you talked to people who were falsely accused? It was because of this mentality that I was on the brink of suicide, in fact, I would've done it if it weren't for my family. I suffered on my families behalf, I took all of their combined suffering and I grinded myself through it for THEIR sake, because I didn't want them to suffer.

Every single day I woke up wanting to die, every single hour I thought about the joy of killing myself, the freedom from what the police did to me. They took everything that was mine and left me with nothing but trauma, existential anxiety and PTSD. No one helped me. No one supported me except my girlfriend and my parents. I'm still terrified of sex because I would rather be celibate for the rest of my life than be falsely accused again. There's nothing I can do about what happened to me other than empathise with others who have been through the same. It's very easy to just dismiss this issue like it's no big deal, but it destroyed me and I would rather be tortured for a day than go through what I went through again.

6 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

False rape accusations do not cause anywhere near the damage as true cases cause to real victims 

Because with almost any kind of crime, there are innocent people who serve time for murder or theft they didn't commit. 

Then why is rape any different? 

You need to do research before you go spouting your ideology at people. You have NO idea how different a false rape accusation is vs a false theft accusation and whilst I forgive you, it's not your fault you don't understand, at least try to see just how much suffering you're downplaying because this issue doesn't concern you. You won't be falsely accused of rape, so your ego will ultimately be biased against that. I don't expect you to empathise with me, it's unlikely you will ever know the existential terror I went through for months. But at least try...

People who are falsely accused of rape are victims too, and the fact that the justice system treats them as guilty until proven innocent disgusts me. No one should ever have to go through what I did. No one. No one should have to go through being raped either, but downplaying one side does nothing but harm both sides. I hope you one day realise this.

[Epikur]

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Last year the National Crime Victimization Survey turned up a remarkable statistic. In asking 40,000 households about rape and sexual violence, the survey uncovered that 38 percent of incidents were against men. The number seemed so high that it prompted researcher Lara Stemple to call the Bureau of Justice Statistics to see if it maybe it had made a mistake, or changed its terminology.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/04/male-rape-in-america-a-new-study-reveals-that-men-are-sexually-assaulted-almost-as-often-as-women.html

[Gesundheit]

Rape is a problem.

False accusations is a problem too.

Two different crimes.

There's no need for comparisons. It isn't a competition for who suffers more.

[Preety_India]

@throaway you wouldn't have a girlfriend if you were so impacted by everything. 

There is something fishy and trollish about this whole thread. 

One guy makes a triggering thread on false rape accusations. 

And then another person who just joined or has only 1 post directly jumps into the discussion and talks about his own experience of being falsely accused when the first person or OP already gives a similar hint. 

Whats the coincidence on a small forum that you will have a person falsely accused of rape suddenly appear out of nowhere on a thread that exactly discusses the topic of false rape accusations? 

This is all fishy. 

Something is wrong with this

 

 

[Preety_India]

@throaway you joined just an hour ago and directly started talking about a topic that is so related to you? 

What are the chances that you didn't create an account simply for this discussion alone

 

This whole thread is trollish. 

This is done on purpose to trigger rape or sexual assault victims on this site 

I can smell it 

If the discussion was only limited to false cases especially when a solution is already offered, I wouldn't see a problem. 

But the discussion is constantly being dragged into a territory where comparisons are being drawn to real victims of rape. 

 

Why would you need to do that and then act like you are caring and supportive of real rape victims? 

It doesn't appear this way in this whole thread.. This whole thread is very manipulative and the intention  probably is not what it is meant to appear. 

I feel like this is more of a rape apologist thread by covering it up with the justification of false rape cases 

 

Most suspicious part of this thread is the person who joined just an hour ago and directly talking about this issue in a personal manner. 

That's no coincidence. 

I'm out. 

 

[throaway]

12 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@throaway you wouldn't have a girlfriend if you were so impacted by everything. 

There is something fishy and trollish about this whole thread. 

One guy makes a triggering thread on false rape accusations. 

And then another person who just joined or has only 1 post directly jumps into the discussion and talks about his own experience of being falsely accused when the first person or OP already gives a similar hint. 

Whats the coincidence on a small forum that you will have a person falsely accused of rape suddenly appear out of nowhere on a thread that exactly discusses the topic of false rape accusations? 

This is all fishy. 

Something is wrong with this

Yet here we are, still together after having gone through this. Just because you haven't unified your soul on psychedelics with a partner of multiple years before and stuck together through incredible hardship doesn't mean it's not possible. But I understand your scepticism, I saw this on my main account and this thread triggered me too, reading these responses, especially yours, just brought back a lot of trauma and I may have impulsively vented a bit.

I made a throwaway account because I don't want people to know my identity.

No one here is trying to say rape is anything but horrific and terrible, but you fail to see the other side and that's why I posted here. To share my story so that maybe someone reading this considers the impact their selfishness has on others. Clearly you didn't, you checked out like most people will because they can't handle the threat to their ego. That's okay. We're all one in the end.

If you want to give it one last shot, flip the script, if I was a girl who had been raped posting in the exact same way I am now, telling my story, how would your ego react compared to how it's reacted now?

Edited April 4, 2021 by throaway

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, throaway said:

Yet here we are, still together after having gone through this. Just because you haven't unified your soul on psychedelics with a partner of multiple years before and stuck together through incredible hardship doesn't mean it's not possible. But I understand your scepticism, I saw this on my main account and this thread triggered me too, reading these responses, especially yours, just brought back a lot of trauma and I may have impulsively vented a bit.

I made a throwaway account because I don't want people to know my identity.

No one here is trying to say rape is anything but horrific and terrible, but you fail to see the other side and that's why I posted here. To share my story so that maybe someone reading this considers the impact their selfishness has on others. Clearly you didn't, you checked out like most people will because they can't handle the threat to their ego. That's okay. We're all one in the end.

 

You do realize that this is not okay and is against forum guidelines. 

I can sympathize with your situation but what you just did was absolutely not okay. 

Goodbye. 

 

[throaway]

1 minute ago, Preety_India said:

You do realize that this is not okay and is against forum guidelines. 

I can sympathize with your situation but what you just did was absolutely not okay. 

Goodbye. 

 

How so? I'm happy to hear why. If Leo or a moderator feels this thread should be deleted/locked and my account banned, they can take action and do that. But I'm curious as to why you believe me sharing my side of the story is not okay?

[Preety_India]

4 minutes ago, throaway said:

If you want to give it one last shot, flip the script, if I was a girl who had been raped posting in the exact same way I am now, telling my story, how would your ego react compared to how it's reacted now?

Look 

Sexual assault is no joke. The way you are talking flippantly about it. 

And please don't make this subject into a Rape Victim versus Falsely Accused. 

There is absolutely no comparison and such a comparison is very hurtful. 

Also such comparisons don't make any sense at all because these are two separate victims and on two different levels. 

Do you even understand the pain of a rape survivor?

If you really did, you wouldn't be making  casual comparisons like that. 

This is if someone lost their passport and comparing their suffering to the suffering of a rape victim. 

That's why I said this thread is triggering. 

Do you even realize that people who are falsely accused don't even go to jail because for jail, you need evidence, and there can be no evidence if there is no rape. 

Do you understand the gravity of your comparisons? 

Please try to understand how the law works first 

There are attorneys and lawyers and judges and investigators 

If someone is falsely accused they can easily prove that in court. 

 

 

[Epikur]

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In Canada[edit]

According to Statistics Canada, respectively 19% and 14% of sexual assault allegations were deemed unfounded in 2016 and 2017.[32] It also declared, however, that more severe and violent cases of sexual assault were less likely to be declared unfounded than less severe ones.[33] Cases declared to be unfounded are cases where police has determined that the assault did not occur and was not attempted.

According to the Globe and Mail, the statistics about unfounded cases are often kept secret, providing no incentive for police forces to analyze and account for them.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape