Can noFap Get Rid Completely of Sexual Needs?

[SQAAD]

I have experience with noFap the last couple of years. My experience is : When i fap or have sex then i crave it even more afterwards. When i practice noFap then my sexual desires get diminished. Now i am doing again noFap (day77) and only twice so far i had the extreme urge to have sex/masturbate. While as when i masturbate this intense craving would be almost every day. The longest i have gone without fapping was probably 5 months and at the end it was very easy for me. Only reason i relapsed is because i had a tragic life event happening that screw up all the right things i was doing (meditation, consciousness work etc).

I remember Leo Gura was saying some negative stuff about noFap in the past when i mentioned it. I remember he said 'You might as well practice noSh*t.' But i believe he is wrong or hasn't enough experience with it. It is a practice. Not doing something is a practice . 

When you don't engage in sexual fantasies your mind doesn't crave sex that much. Same thing happens with alchohol, food and drugs. When you quit alcohol, alcohol eventually loses its power over you. You practice not giving in to those tempations by not reacting. 

I don't know if with this method i can completely overcome sexual desires but i am at a pretty good point where sex has lost much of its power. I don't believe sex is a major need as Leo or some other people make it out to be. You can live happily without it. You can't live happily without food or water though. 

 

Edited April 3, 2021 by SQAAD

[soularlight]

Trust your intuition more than you trust me, Leo, or anyone else. Be true to yourself and then you can be true to me as well. If your "no-fap" journey is coming from a place of self-love and self-acceptance, then go for it. Discover what your intentions are. Are they life-giving and kind? Are you doing this to be sweet to yourself or because of shame/guilt? Can be good to look into it

 

Peace

[SQAAD]

@soularlight

1 minute ago, soularlight said:

Trust your intuition more than you trust me, Leo, or anyone else. Be true to yourself and then you can be true to me as well. If your "no-fap" journey is coming from a place of self-love and self-acceptance, then go for it. Discover what your intentions are. Are they life-giving and kind? Are you doing this to be sweet to yourself or because of shame/guilt? Can be good to look into it

 

Peace

Good points. I am doing it because it helps me tremendously emotionally and physically. Also i like not giving so much of my power to sex.  I am not against sex. But eventually it leads to suffering (at least for me).  I experience less suffering without it.

[Tim R]

1. Why would you even want to eliminate your sexual desires?? 
2. No Fap doesn't do very much, at least after a certain time. All it does is raising your testosterone levels within the first few days and after around 1 week they return back to normal

3. Quote

   Also i like not giving so much of my power to sex

   No Fap is about masturbation, not sex

Edited April 3, 2021 by Tim R

[SQAAD]

@Tim R

13 minutes ago, Tim R said:

1. Why would you even want to eliminate your sexual desires?? 
2. No Fap doesn't do very much, at least after a certain time. All it does is raising your testosterone levels within the first few days and after around 1 week they return back to normal

3. No Fap is about masturbation, not sex

1. Because sexual desires can never be truly satisfied and lead to suffering in the end (from my experience). 

2. This is a very myopic conclusion based on what? a study?

Nope i disagree. No Fap does very much psychologically, spiritually. If you haven't gone celibate for over 2-3 months you don't really know what it does or not for you. Plus after 50 days you start having noctural emmissions which is great stuff. 

3. NoFap includes not sex for me also.

Edited April 3, 2021 by SQAAD

[Byun Sean]

The only way I've seen it done is through loads of spiritual work.

 

Then you are still capable of making yourself horny and having sex put the compulsion won't have as much of a death grip  on you.

You then have full control on when to do it and when not to on your own terms.

 

Not really speaking from experience here but this is what I have observed in a few others.

Edited April 3, 2021 by Byun Sean

[Nahm]

The more you experience the impulse or reaction, and meet it with relaxation, breathing through it, the less the reaction is a reaction, the less it occurs just like any other subject matter. This can be rough, but in not-doing and witnessing, thoughts will be noticed that weren’t before, and those thoughts are then seen as the suffering rather than the sensation in and of itself. Keep the body in mind. 

[Gesundheit]

Do you experience wet dreams, though? If yes, how often?

I haven't ever reached this far with no fap, but my experiences were similar, and I can intuit the same thing. Although, I still can't be 100% sure. Because the urges do actually lose some of their power, but they still don't subside completely. So, it's very hard to prove in practice.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, SQAAD said:

Because sexual desires can never be truly satisfied and lead to suffering in the end (from my experience). 

Mmm not agree. It is true that sex always asks you for more, it is a genetically programmed need, the monkey must reproduce. but if you satisfy him to a certain extent (only real sex, quality, no masturbation or porn) it is easier to be at peace. voiding sex is almost impossible, it's not healthy imo. The problem is that it's not easy to get real good true sex

Edited April 3, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[flowboy]

16 hours ago, SQAAD said:

@soularlight

Good points. I am doing it because it helps me tremendously emotionally and physically. Also i like not giving so much of my power to sex.  I am not against sex. But eventually it leads to suffering (at least for me).  I experience less suffering without it.

Why not suffer?

Suffering leads to enlightenment. Not suffering keeps you stuck.

[neovox]

@SQAAD Really good insights. Thank you for sharing your experience. Has me thinking...

[Leo Gura]

This will not work for most people.

Of course in theory you could always resist any temptation. But to rely on such a strategy is foolish.

[TheSelf]

Semen retention is very important for spiritual growth, one needs to learn to channelize the sexual energy instead of easily wasting it, it's a very strong energy that can create humans, there's so many things you can do with this energy.

it's okay to masturbate but you shouldn't really ejaculate too often. being calm and deeply breathing is key to success at controlling the energy.

[Anon212]

Hey, its funny this came up as I broke my 50 day streak just ten minutes ago. My libido was through the damn roof, I was having trouble working on my dissertation and it had been this way for almost a week. Recently I have been having some pretty bleak sexual dreams and it instantly hit me that all of these so called methods of transmutation were simply not working. I have tried increasing exercise frequency, taking more cold showers, kundalini meditations, breathwork, heck I have been consecrated into a kriya by Sadhguru and even that to date hasn't helped. When I started getting these nasty dreams which I am not comfortable enough to go into, I recognised that I was suppressing my sexual desires. I'm sure transmutation is possible, but despite religiously applying so many methods at the same time for almost two months, I still failed to really transmute. As a 21 year old with a raging libido, this shits hard man. I also just stopped for a second and asked myself if I was doing this out of guilt, the only way to know was to break and so I did. I broke and just didn't give a sh*t. There was no guilt, I was waiting for benefits that never came. I felt absolutely no different than I did 30 minutes ago. I think a lot of the stuff on reddit is hearsay, maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't. I really didn't experience much benefit other than completely quitting porn (which is amazing, but I would barely watch it anyways, maybe once a week, less even). But I did really repress my desires. There is no doubt about it. If it's guilt or some other similar emotion, this is no bueno, well in my view. I remember hearing a talk by Sadhguru where he spoke on positive thinking. He said that repressing negative thoughts is a terrible idea, they will just pop up elsewhere. As for nofap, the repressed sexual desires manifested as sexual dreams, horrible sexual dreams and frequent wet dreams over which I had no control. He recommends creating a distance between the 'you' and the body/mind. He claims that it is an outcome of one of the kriyas he teaches which is why I was so adamant to get initiated by him. Monks do semen retention as do bramacharis, but remember these guys commit their lives to spirituality. Absolutely, totally commit their lives. Bramacharis for example have great guidance and are provided sadhana or practices that help deal with such urges. Practices that actually work. If I am to draw a parallel (in retrospect) I feel like I was trying to create a spiritual awakening using mindfulness meditation (it just doesn't work for most), whereas something like 5-meo-DMT or even doing some inquiry on shrooms sure as hell works. It seems much better to be in a healthy, sexual relationship with another man or woman if you are planning on leading a normal life (in my view). I like shunyamurti but as Leo said what he said there probably won't work. At the end of the day, the decision is yours, if you find it truly beneficial go for it, but its best to look at it very closely. Are you guilty? are you trying to quit porn? what is the problem with masturbation to begin with? Are you looking for semen retention related superpowers? In that case do you know how to transmute? Probably not.

[StarStruck]

Study nofap in relation to the corresponding Chakra. There are some yoga exercises that can help make nofap easy. I'm experimenting with this so I can't say much about this at this point. 

[diamondpenguin]

Nofap will never work. The only way to transcend sex is through getting laid till your sick of it. Its counter-intuitive to your tactic.@SQAAD Suppressing sexual energy is the equivalent of suppressing hunger. 

[Cireeric]

I think when someone really has problems with his sexual urges and desires and these hold him back, no problem try/practice NoFap. But in my opinion its not very spiritual to leave out one of the best and also deepest things in life. 

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

You should have never began masturbating in the first place.

Lol

While you're at it, maybe you should have never been born.

[Matt Skinner]

Practicing NoFap contributed to problems in my last relationship. I was so unsuccessful at it (never could make it past like 12 days) and was constantly needy about sex, which she rarely wanted to have.

There were deeper issues at play. But I think my horny neediness only made things worse and generally created a bad psychological environment where I was constantly frustrated and ashamed of myself for having “relapsed”, despite trying to exercise optimism and growth mindset. Everyone is different, and undoubtedly it works for some people. But in my experience, it’s more trouble than it’s worth.

I seem to yield better results just focusing on my goals and making a point to fap from a feeling of “inspiration”/genuine horniness instead of compulsion/emotional avoidance. An attitude I learned from Julien Blanc, as well as Leo to an extent.

[neovox]

I'm starting a 30 day challenge for myself. Starting tomorrow. lol