No Going Back

[RossE]

I've heard from Leo, Rupert Spira and many posters on here that once you are touched by the truth of existence there can be no return to the previous state. It's almost certain that this will manifest to a greater realisation.

Does this mean that if you have a little experience of the no-self and of the truth of awareness that it will never leave, and that you cannot return to the previous ignorance you had? If not that, what does it really mean?

Also, why is this the case? Does the ego weaken sufficiently in this realisation? Does this trigger a new viewpoint which won't move?

[Prabhaker]

@RossE Enlightenment (touched by the truth of existence) is the ultimate truth—the seeker disappears but the truth is found. From enlightenment there is no possibility of falling back, because you are no longer there to fall back. As long as you are, there is a possibility. Only your absence is the guarantee that you cannot fall back.

if you have a little experience of the no-mind  is the transition period, from human to divine. But one can fall back, because it is so new and so fragile and your past is so old and so strong—it can pull you back; it is still there.

Awakening is getting very close to your center. And as you get closer to the center, falling back becomes more and more difficult because your new experience is gathering power, strength, experience, and the old is losing. But the old is still there; it has not disappeared. Ordinarily people don’t fall from awakening, but the possibility remains: one can fall.

From enlightenment, falling is simply impossible. You are gone forever; not even a shadow or a trace of you is left behind.

[RossE]

@Wormon Blatburm I realise that using the terms ego and I in this discussion is delicate! In my direct experience it is as though I now wish to have this truth permanently/be aware or it permanently. Is this because "I" saw through the ego and know that it's not real?

[Capethaz]

@RossE After stream-entry (first Enlightenment phase), all doubts about Awakening are erased and you get this knowning that sticks with you forever. It's a deep insight.

[Telepresent]

@RossE You know the film The Matrix?  Imagine, once you woke up from the Matrix, that someone inside it asked you whether or not you could return to believing in the reality the the Matrix provides.  Even when you're inside the Matrix, you know it is false: you may experience it sensorially, but ultimately you know its falseness.

The difference is that the jumps we hit during this exploration are not so extreme as that presented in the film, and also go further that that presented in the film.  The movie provides an example of one-jump-as-all.  From my experience so far, it's lots of mini-hops, knowing that there are many mini-hops coming, even if I don't know what they are yet!

(I'll also point out that, at this point, I have not experienced 'no self', or 'unity consciousness', or anything else that anyone else might call an 'enlightenment experience'.  At the same time, I am extremely aware that I have stripped away vast swathes of my ego and, as a result, my perspective on what the world is has permanently changed - in extrememly funadamental ways, and that I don't need to have had a transcendental experience to recognise that my perception a year ago was completely false.  So if you're worried about experiences of no-self... don't worry too much.  There's more fundamental work that needs doing.)

Edited October 21, 2016 by Telepresent

[Bob84]

@RossE Being a searcher im going to assume you have learned a few things here and have come to realizations that already have changed the way you think.
In its core, enlightenment is just one more of those, just a little/alot harder to grasp.

There is no magic involved do.
Ifs like chi kung in kung fu, ones you learn it you realize that there are no magical super powers.

[RossE]

@Telepresent That's a good analogy and I can see what you're getting at. It's mind blowing when it's your entire view of existence at stake!

[RossE]

@Bob84 Yes I have, I've had a lot of mini realisations (almost daily recently) and a couple of big moments which have blown my mind. At the same time nothing has really changed - I still experience the same things.

[Bob84]

@RossE Reality will not change, being blunt, reality doesn't care about you or your opinions. Just like your car (if you have one) doesn't care if you like that it breaks down or needs fuel. This sounds logical and obvious. But does it? When your car breaks down, are you not angry and frustrated?
If so, why?

[RossE]

@Bob84  I get that, I didn't mean it in a nihilistic way. I just mean that despite the fact I've had glimpses hasn't really changed what's going on around me. I'm okay with that. 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2016 by RossE

[RossE]

@John Flores Interesting, was it hearing what Leo said and connecting this with your experience which made you realise there was no return?