Do you move around the dream, or does the dream move around you?

[benjhenry]

Remember those old racing games at the arcades where the car stayed in one spot and the track flowed beneath it? And then 3D gaming picked up and you actually moved around the computer-generated environment. It got me thinking... in a lucid dream, do you believe that we move around the dream, like a conscious entity tracing our neural pathways, or does the dream move around us? I'm writing a blog on this and would love to hear your experiences.

[r0ckyreed]

I was asking myself a similar question while I was playing Skyrim. There really is no movement, only a change in perception on the screen. In the same way, the screen of our minds is always here and now and sensations and perceptions are changing. You can test this out through imagination because that is essentially the substance of dreaming.

Notice that you always remain and are always present in every moment. But if we look deeper, we realize that we aren’t the entity in the dream, but rather the entire dream itself, as it is our imagination.

So that is the illusion. The illusion is that you are an entity in the dream and the same is true in the real world. 

[Nahm]

 Movement has never actually occurred. It’s as it appears. A “thought”, and not even. 

[Mason Riggle]

'Everywhere I go, there I am' - unattributed

'I have no other self than the totality of that which I am aware' - Alan Watts

[StarStruck]

Movement is part of maya

[allislove]

The direct pointer to itself would be "Still Movement"/"Movable Stillness". 

[Flyboy]

Movement is actually just an idea, itself.  Movement is inherently relative - you can't "move" unless it is relative to someTHING else.  So, since "everyTHING" is part of the dream, the very concept of movement only makes sense within the illusion of the dream.

Of course, awareness and the "dream" are also concepts from within the dream, so be careful, they aren't "real" either

[benjhenry]

@r0ckyreed Absolutely. I have experienced this most strongly while meditating in a lucid dream. Great points, thanks for sharing.

[benjhenry]

@Nahm Indeed. But what do you experience?

[Nahm]

@benjhenry

Not. Two. 

?

[allislove]

Our hearts beat fast
We tremble like leaves about to fall.
Let us become the immovable mountain.

Rumi

[benjhenry]

I've posted similar content on five forums, and this is definitely the one in which people are more inclined to leave a statement of their beliefs than engage in a discussion. Interesting! If anyone has some experiences to add, ideas to share and talk about - let me know

[allislove]

@benjhenry 

Yes, much appreciated Leo to start the forum.

What I can add except a little of Rumi:  

This place is a dream. Only a sleeper considers it real. Then death comes like dawn, and you wake up laughing at what you thought was your grief.

[Nahm]

@benjhenry

That there are two, as in a separate self and or separate objects is the belief, or, the believing of thoughts, or, ‘thought attachment’. Labeling what is ‘in’ perception doesn’t actually make it what we label it. Your consideration in the original post is ‘is the right direction’, but belief is being projected, rather than the orientation of inquiry further examined. If you are to realize this is a lucid dream, there is the small matter of becoming lucid of this. Beliefs, yours, other, or projected, won’t do.   

Try to ‘prove’ you are a separate physical object moving, doing, thinking. Make a case for it. Google what stuff is in more and more literal scrutiny. What you find, or rather what beliefs you uncover, would make for the ideal sharing on your blog (imo). Maybe start with questioning wether you ever actually experience ‘there’, other than the thought that there is a ‘there’, and same for past and or future. 

[James123]

On 3/26/2021 at 5:03 PM, allislove said:

Our hearts beat fast
We tremble like leaves about to fall.
Let us become the immovable mountain.

Rumi

Waowwww. Never heard this one. ??

[caspex]

Tbh you first need to contemplate on what is movement. What I have gotten is movement = stillness.

[Leo Gura]

Of course the entire Universe resolves around you. Since you ARE the Universe.

The only problem is in how you define "you".

[Hen Zuhe]

@benjhenry Both.

[Moksha]

The dream moves within you. You are the abode of the universe.

Movement requires time and separation. If time and separation are bound to relative reality (which they are), the idea of movement is similarly bound. Ultimately, there is only changeless, motionless, continuous reality.

[UnbornTao]

@Leo Gura can You revolve around You? 

More like an intellectual question, I’m not conscious of my nature.

Still, I’m confused on that level.

Edited March 29, 2021 by Arzola