Thoughts, Senses, Awareness

[Telepresent]

I've been toying around posting this for a few days because a) I'm not sure how to say it, and b) I'm not sure what the point of saying it is.  So I guess I'm posting this to get it out of my system.  I hope it's of use!

I've spent a long time fighting with the question of what a thought is.  Whether a series of words, or sounds, or images, or a combination, what the fuck is going on there?

I've spent a lot of time deconstructing my mind, to the point of recognising it as an intricate, complex, and super-fast pattern-recognition and future-predictive mechanism, which loves to define and make rules, because that's what it needs to operate.

So how does that tie into thought?

Well, what relation do I have to thoughts?  I have the sound, the words, the image...  And BANG, there it is:

My mind is just another sense.  My mind is not and cannot be 'me', if it is recognised by 'me'.

Like sight, sound, taste, touch, smell, propreoception, temperature, everything else: my thoughts are merely the manifestation of a pre-existing mechanism below (or possibly within) some form of conscious awareness.  They are, in other words, smaller than the consciousness awareness.  And as all my thoughts are the only thing that constantly speaks, defines, and affirms "I... I... I..." over and over... that gives me some food for consideration.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Telepresent

[Prabhaker]

On 10/18/2016 at 0:00 AM, Telepresent said:

I've spent a long time fighting with the question of what a thought is.

All your thoughts, in the first place, are not yours. You have gathered them like dust particles. They are moving in you and out of you. From one head they enter another, and they go on. They have their own life. A thought is a thing; it has its own existence. When a person dies, all his mad thoughts are released immediately and they start finding shelter somewhere or other. Immediately those who are around they enter. They are like germs: they have their own life. Even when you are alive, you go on dispersing your thoughts all around you. When you talk, then, of course, you throw your thoughts into others. But when you are silent, then also you are throwing thoughts all around. They are not yours, the first thing. A man of positive reasoning will discard all thoughts that are not his own.

Each thought has its own life. It moves. And it has much power, and you are so unaware, so you are moved by thoughts. Your whole life consists of such accidents. You meet people, and your whole life pattern changes. Something enters in you. Then you become possessed, and you forget where you were going. You change your direction; you follow this thought.

[Telepresent]

Thanks for this response.  A lot to dwell on

[Rashid]

11 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

All your thoughts, in the first place, are not yours. You have gathered them like dust particles. They are moving in you and out of you. From one head they enter another, and they go on. They have their own life. A thought is a thing; it has its own existence. When a person dies, all his mad thoughts are released immediately and they start finding shelter somewhere or other. Immediately those who are around they enter. They are like germs: they have their own life. Even when you are alive, you go on dispersing your thoughts all around you. When you talk, then, of course, you throw your thoughts into others. But when you are silent, then also you are throwing thoughts all around. They are not yours, the first thing. A man of positive reasoning will discard all thoughts that are not his own.

Each thought has its own life. It moves. And it has much power, and you are so unaware, so you are moved by thoughts. Your whole life consists of such accidents. You meet people, and your whole life pattern changes. Something enters in you. Then you become possessed, and you forget where you were going. You change your direction; you follow this thought.

so do we try to suppress these thought patterns by recognizing them and trying to dissociate ourselves, or is even thinking of doing this(a thought) would be counter productive and instead its better to simply be aware and let thoughts run through you but run you. 

[Prabhaker]

@Rashid When we watch thought without judging it with awareness, not even asking it to move. we get rid of it. In this way we can discard all the thoughts which are borrowed. Then you can create your own thought, it has power of its own.