Anybody Else Become Depressed After Watching Leo's Enlightenment Videos?

[Neo]

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When he says "you don't exist", he is referring to your ego, not your True Self.  Your True Self DOES exist.  Its the Witness of mind's thoughts and your emotions.  It is the Witness, the formless real True Self.  The ego is a false illusory self that seeks gratification through form.

Yes, but you must take what I posted in the context of this thread. Obviously people watching Leo's enlightenment videos are largely new to enlightenment, and Leo has chosen a certain way to explain it to us in a fairly simple way, so he uploaded a video, the most shocking truth, and tells us "you don't exist" and the discussion here is how we felt about it. Obviously there are lots of nuances to come later. 

[Neo]

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No depression.  Just kudos for Leo's daring to bring it to the public.

joy

 

Why is it daring to bring it to the public? Is there something that holds back enlightened one's doing so? I could understand it if you said that enlightened beings loose interest it bringing it to the world of people, however, to say "daring"? Can someone explain?

[Guest]

The depression will fade if you stick with it. but sit down shut up and get ready for frustration, irritability, and loneliness (to name a few),

it's all worth it

[Ramu]

@Neo yes thats true so perhaps Leo should be a little more specific and say "ego" if that's his intention.  Saying "you don't exist" is esoteric at best and leaves a lot of gray area.  Since when is being clever and vaque a spiritual requirement?  Just say it like it is, "ego doesn't exist, but your True Self does".  See how easy that was?

[Neo]

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"It's amazing how desperately we cling to our beliefs. As history shows, the fastest way to reduce otherwise decent people to a state of savagery is by tampering with their belief system. The word for someone who does so is heretic, and historically the punishments reserved for him are more brutal than for any other class of offender." -- Jed McKenna, Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing

OK! It's just that in some comments under one of Leo's videos, someone logged in to ask him how he was saying these things which are impossible to say, and maybe I was reading too much into this and letting my imagination get carried away.

[Azrael]

On 10.2.2016 at 3:28 AM, Brady said:

The main problem for me was no free will. If I'm not the one choosing to go to the gym or self actualize, and I'm not actually free then why do anything at all.

Well, try to look at it this way: Just because every Happening is completely spontaneous and you don't have control about it because you don't exist doesn't have to mean that everything is bad. In fact, you can get up everyday, do your normal business and be just amazed by what life puts in front of you. Every time you get sad or something goes wrong just be astounded how authentic you play your game.

And any one out there, your friends, family and the society - just look at them as the most talented actors you can find. Don't see them as doing something wrong by not pursuing satori or anything. Just be marvelled what the Happening creates at every moment.

After some time you get to way more peaceful inner state with that kind of view. It is not the right way to see the things, just one way. But in my opinion a pretty nice one. I also was depressed for two weeks after the introductory video, but it took such a phase of depression to stick me to pursuit.

Cheers to you, man!

[shantaram]

I have had almost the exact same experience recently.. its amazing reading your post, it feels like i wrote it in a way. I've also read the power of now, reading it again now,  3 years later.  Ive spent 100s of hours listening to alan watts and have been following leo's stuff on here for just over a year now. Now i know the depressed feeling because i got the same thing after watching that video about no free will.. but after a while something clicked.. and i realised that the video was only depressing for me because I conceptualised it and turned into into mind-stuff which fed my egoic sense of self. I feel as if Leo is has explained/designed that video in a way that forces us to discover something for ourselves.. its almost like hes planting seeds if you know what i mean.. 

i think that  i dont exist as a seperate entity at all.. it is just an illusion, a mere focus of conscious attention, an idea.. as story. and when leo says you dont have free will i think hes onto something. because how could 'I' have free will. But knowing all this is a great freedom in that you keep discovering who you are by 'flipping the switch' and focusing your conscious attention on the present and not on the story that your mind tries to keep adding to.

 

like watts says.. we are like the flame, ever-changing but seemingly recognisable. 

[Dhana Choko]

To me this realizations has come bit by bit whilst doing self-developmental work, spiritual work and studying psychology degree. First I kind of thought that we must not have free will since so many people and myself included are in situations that we simply would not want to choose. So there must be some sort of thing that we are not in control of it. Then few years ago I swung to the other end and I learned all about Law of Attraction and I applied all the things that they taught me - but still, I could not completely control my life and a lot of things happened that I was not in control of. Another curious thing to me was astrology and how I could see life situations happen through astrology in my own life but also in other people's lives. It just went deeper and deeper and I do not remember when it really happened, but I just realized that the person, the thoughts and everything that I think I am, is just patterns and that I am trapped in these patterns in a way. Even things like being intelligent and understanding a lot of things, are also patterns and I am not the "thing" that these patterns are combined, so the thing I think I am, does not simply exist. It is so interesting, so liberating, so depressing at the same time.  I actually loved Leo's video, I think I just laughed when I was watching it. Hilarious. Life really is. 
 

[Ramu]

3 hours ago, Pinocchio said:

Impossible. But what's more, the onus is on you to find out what they're talking about. You want to be spoon fed the correct information. There is no correct information and even if there was, it wouldn't help you. The only thing that helps you is to get to work. And the only thing that matters about what someone else says is how it applies to your work, right now.

You'd be surprised.

Except I'm  saying that on behalf of people who can't read between the lines.  I understand the nuances of what Leo is saying just fine.  Anyway Leo isn't my only source of spiritual information.  I draw from many sources, and he adds a certain perspective but certainly isn't the ultimate guru on the subject.

[Michael L]

On February 10, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Naviy said:

I had the opposite feeling from those videos. I was like "Yes, yes, yes! Finally somebody talks about it! And so precisely! Yes"!

I've read and learned all this stuff a couple of years before I saw Leo's videos. And also during my research I've seen a lot of bullshit about enlightenment on the Internet. I think I needed (and still need) motivation to continue the active research on what "I" is or what reality is (by research I mean practice, self inquiry etc,). And when I hear somebody tell something that is similar with my own conclusions and discoveries, this gaves me motivation.

I feel the same way! I have gut feelings and conclusions that match  @Leo Gura and his enlightenment views expressed through his videos and it frees me to know that my gut feeling aligns with what others also can see as "undeniable truth"

[charlie cho]

I think it's a good sign.. It means you understand.