"Men should embrace their inner feminine." Young guys should avoid this idea totally.

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, SamC said:

@Rilles So what are we doing here than? You yourself know experimentally that the masculine and feminine energy exists by direct experiece. Of course we all have different amount of this energi but what does that really prove other than that the masculine and feminine energy exsist?

All I have seen is woman behaving like people, some more energetic and some more reserved, it doesnt prove anything. I have met men who are reserved and men who are more outgoing. I didnt see or feel any energy, just different personalities. Are we talking about sexual attraction? What am I suppose to look for? 

[Rilles]

10 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

I think you're onto something.

I notice that people do throw around the term "energy" without reverence.

That being said, don't dismiss Emerald as "stage green dogma" LOL... her perspective is Turquoise.

Maybe there IS such a thing as energy; but if there is, it'd be a deeply personal and subjective thing... try to be open to that possibility

Personal & subjective CAN = Truth (if you're open to it).

Freaky, I know.

Im not dismissing Emerald, shes brilliant, I like some of her videos, Im not attacking the person, only the ideas, and btw Im not saying shes Green, only that this concept seems to me to be a dogma thrown around by people in Stage Green. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Rilles

[Javfly33]

Yeah I agree. A lot of young men lack masculine.energy. ironically lol

[Byun Sean]

26 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Im arguing that the idea of feminine or masculine energy is more of a construct than something we can actually observe. A buzzword people throw around without contemplating what it really means. Anyone who can somehow prove to me it is real gets a cookie. To me it seems like Stage Green dogma that has been overlooked. 

well your wrong

[SamC]

27 minutes ago, Rilles said:

All I have seen is woman behaving like people, some more energetic and some more reserved, it doesnt prove anything. I have met men who are reserved and men who are more outgoing. I didnt see or feel any energy, just different personalities. Are we talking about sexual attraction? What am I suppose to look for? 

It´s impossible to descibe. Noticing the difference is an intuitive process that needs to be felt and experienced. it can't be quantified or pin-pointed by the logical mind.

Edited March 18, 2021 by SamC

[Rilles]

Okay, Im tired of this discussion, lets get back to the main point of this thread, I will keep contemplating this by myself. 

[Peter Miklis]

30 minutes ago, Rilles said:

All I have seen is woman behaving like people, some more energetic and some more reserved, it doesnt prove anything. I have met men who are reserved and men who are more outgoing. I didnt see or feel any energy, just different personalities. Are we talking about sexual attraction? What am I suppose to look for? 

I see what you are trying to say. I think this concepts doesn't only apply to sexual attraction, but mainly types of thinking and ways of looking at the world.

There are actual differences in the brain between men and women. So, maybe from that we can derive masculine and feminine energies.

[Etherial Cat]

1 hour ago, Rilles said:

Im arguing that the idea of feminine or masculine energy is more of a construct than something we can actually observe. A buzzword people throw around without contemplating what it really means. Anyone who can somehow prove to me it is real gets a cookie. To me it seems like Stage Green dogma that has been overlooked. 

Before there are social constructs, there is a reality for the mind to assign meaning on.

The way I perceive the feminine/masculine duality is that it is the human manifestation of a duality which is present all across the universe.

The relative is made out of opposite. These opposites are the dichotomy which allow us to conceive notions as such as up or down, left and right, feminine and masculine etc.

Also, I would say that the average stage Green would tend to perceive masculine and feminine as sole social construct with no empirical ground.

[LastThursday]

1 hour ago, Rilles said:

Im arguing that the idea of feminine or masculine energy is more of a construct than something we can actually observe. A buzzword people throw around without contemplating what it really means.

I wouldn't get too hung up on phrasing. Substitute any other empty abstract noun for energy: essence, vibration, type, orientation, flavour or whatever.

1 hour ago, modmyth said:

And most of the things people call masculine/ feminine are framed directly by socialization IMO, where is the primality in it?

I would agree that it can't be easily distentangled from socialization, so by that token the primality would seem contrived (by people). Maybe by analogy works: what is feline energy and canine energy? It would be tricky to put your finger on exactly what makes one or the other, but you know there's a difference and they're not arrived at through socialization. If you're playing charades you could mimic (embody) one or the other easily enough.

Is cattiness and dogginess primal in the universe? Erm, no, but it is primal for those two groups of mamals. Can you embody both an essence of masculinity and feminity? The answer would seem to be yes and it's primal for humans at least. Universally? Dunno.

[Emerald]

7 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Emerald

So well said. 

Thank you

[Emerald]

7 hours ago, Rilles said:

How?

Developing sensitivity of awareness. The truth is that you're probably already experiencing it without paying too much mind. They are subtle energies. But I've been most attuned to them in my awakening experiences.

Okay so the energies are not really feminine or masculine... we just call them that? How do they create the female and male roles? Does a passive man have alot of female energy or a lack of masculine energy? Can we measure it? Sorry to sound so overly materialistic/rational but sometimes thats a tool thats useful. 

It has been noticed across cultures and eras that men as a group tend to have more of what's called Yang energy and that women as a group tend to have more of what's called Yin energy. And because, within the scope of humanity, man/woman is the easiest way to communicate the essence of Yang and Yin respectively. 

So, the energies of Yin and Yang are in all people and inform, but supercede human gender. But seeing Yin/Yang as feminine/masculine is the most apparent human intonation of the interplay between these subtle energies. 

In terms of measurement, this would not be possible to get an accurate measurement as the distinction isn't absolute. From the human perspective, we can recognize Yin/Yang as a dichotomy where one person can be more or less masculine/feminine than the next. And this is apparent form our perspective... just like up and down is apparent from our perspective. Just like big and small is apparent from our perspective.

But, on the absolute, there is no such thing as a distinction between up and down, nor is there a distinction between big and small, nor is there a distinction between masculine and feminine. These distinctions only exist on the relative level... from the human point of view.

So, there is no actual way to measure it in absolute terms. The reality is that everything is infinitely masculine/feminine and that nothing is because masculine/feminine is a false dichotomy from the absolute perspective.

But relatively, we can draw some generalizations. We can recognize the people usually have more of one energy than the other. And that's inborn. We can only express what is there to be expressed. 

But a passive man has just as much masculine/feminine energy as he would have if he decided to be more active. You can't increase or decrease your energies. You an only decide whether or not you're going to integrate them and develop them or repress/suppress them and leave them to languish.

But you can't change your masculine/feminine signature because it's so intertwined with your core personality.

So, a Passive Man could be said to have a repress/suppressed/underdeveloped masculine side. But this doesn't meant that he's integrated his feminine side. And it also doesn't mean that he's less masculine. All of that energy is still there. 

As a symbolic construct I can see its usefulness. But thats all I see it as now, a philosophical idea, like seeing the ocean as a deep and mysterious woman or something, lol.

Understanding polarity can be really helpful for systems thinking as it's a universal lens. A lot of people just focus on this topic for sexual/relationship reasons, but it can be applied to a great number of things. 

But being in touch with your natural energy and being able to feel it, is a beautiful and empowering experience. It's like you're getting underneath all the junk to the core spark of your personality.

 

[Emerald]

20 hours ago, CultivateLove said:

Agree, historically the pendulum was too far in one direction (Too masculine, repressed feminine) and is now swinging too far in the opposite direction.

If we really understand how polarity works and what masculinity and femininity really are, we will recognize immediately that we're the most masculine oriented than we've ever been as a species.

And that includes in times and societies where men were totally dominant and women totally subservient. Even then, they were less masculine oriented than our society is despite our progress with gender equality.

This is because when we were in older social orders prior to industrialization, it was man against nature. We had to polarize ourselves into the masculine (ideas, invention, and manipulating nature for human gain) in order to counterbalance the powerful feminine energy of Mother Nature... so that we didn't get swallowed up by it.

And this patriarchal adaptation worked for a long time to keep us surviving, though a side effect of that adaptation is that it worked massively to the benefit of men and the suppression of women. 

But now, the battle of man against nature has reached a point of diminishing returns. Now, nature is losing. And now, patriarchal/masculine-oriented social orders are maladaptive for this very reason. 

This is why you see a lot of people nowadays focusing towards the feminine. But it's not nearly far enough if we want to bring things into balance and integration. 

Masculine orientation has ruled for so many thousands of years.

And now that femininity takes up just an inch more space for the past few years, you say that it's swinging too far in the opposite direction. And that just fails to see the bigger picture of what's happening in terms of masculine/feminine polarity. 

I know it's a change and that masculine orientation is the water and we are fish. But to say that we've polarized too much into the feminine is just not true. If we want to survive as a species for very much longer, we'll have to deliberately integrate the feminine as a species. And that comes difficult because we're not used to it. 

[vladorion]

19 hours ago, Rilles said:

But why feel the need to divide your personality into two? Why are you "feminine" when you dive into your feelings? Why cant you just own all your sides without making them feminine or masculine? This I dont get.

When people say "feel into your feminine" it is almost as if they can accept this part of themselves as just... human... And not based on gender. 

There is value in seeing distinctions on a relative level. 

For example, you probably use the spiral dynamics model. I could ask you, why do you feel the need to divide humans by stages of their development?

It's for the same reason. Once you've identified something, you can work with it. 

If you want to deny that distinctions exist on a relative level, why not go all the way then and deny all distinctions? Why the need to separate the heart from the liver, it's just one body. Why the need to have a different relationships with a lover and a parent, we're all just people. You can go far with it if you use the same logic.

[Loving Radiance]

17 hours ago, Rilles said:

Anyone who can somehow prove to me it is real gets a cookie.

Do a vipassana retreat with just males and after that go have a conversation with a women.

[fridjonk]

Men could actually use a lot more feminine than what you consider too much, but they could also use a lot more masculine to balance it out. To me, they're stuck in the undecided zone, not too much of either.  

Good examples of men who've found the right balance are Aubrey Marcus and Aaron Alexander. 

Every man should watch at least 100 hours of Matt Kahn. ?

[zeroISinfinity]

@fridjonk No. 

[flowboy]

On 18-3-2021 at 9:43 AM, The_Truth_Seeker said:

I don't know much about Millennials but Gen-Z guys already have enough feminine energy. I think there is no need for them to "embrace the inner-feminine."

 

Isolation, high speed internet porn, comfortable lifestyle, single mothers raising boys, lack of male role models, hyper-feminism....all these have made a TON of Gen-Z guys enough feminine already. Hence the term "Don't act like a pussy." 

 

A lot more guys are having ED, PE problems than ever in history. Young adults are having less sex than ever. Coincidence? I don't think so. 

 

There is no need to "embrace the inner feminine." 

 

My dad is 52. If someone of that age wants to do the feminine ☯️ masculine thing. He can do it cuz he has already lived a life but I don't think it's a good idea for young folks. Not at all. 

 

I'm no expert on 'toxic masculinity', but this seems to be a prime example.

What are you scared of, really?

I agree that men should learn to not be pussies and be able to exercise their masculine. But being a pussy has nothing to do with integrating your feminine.

In fact it takes brass balls to fully face and start to integrate your feminine side.

Which I can tell you haven't done.

So what are you blabbering about.

Paint those nails!

[Danioover9000]

   It's very context sensitive, assuming that people are using more feminine as an excuse to avoid and cut corners with doing the work of attracting, dating and working on sexual performance, then yes they need to get back to working the masculine. Other than that, this is mostly problematic.

   Strong human being = feminine + masculine.

[Arcangelo]

On 3/18/2021 at 2:43 AM, The_Truth_Seeker said:

I don't know much about Millennials but Gen-Z guys already have enough feminine energy. I think there is no need for them to "embrace the inner-feminine."

 

Isolation, high speed internet porn, comfortable lifestyle, single mothers raising boys, lack of male role models, hyper-feminism....all these have made a TON of Gen-Z guys enough feminine already. Hence the term "Don't act like a pussy." 

 

A lot more guys are having ED, PE problems than ever in history. Young adults are having less sex than ever. Coincidence? I don't think so. 

 

There is no need to "embrace the inner feminine." 

 

My dad is 52. If someone of that age wants to do the feminine ☯️ masculine thing. He can do it cuz he has already lived a life but I don't think it's a good idea for young folks. Not at all. 

 

I agree.

[Arcangelo]

On 3/18/2021 at 3:13 AM, Rilles said:

There is no such thing as feminine or masculine energy.

This feels like gaslighting.