Jordan Peterson seems to be turning to Christianity

[aurum]

On 3/17/2021 at 11:36 AM, SS10 said:

Would a rock also be God?

Yes

On 3/17/2021 at 11:36 AM, SS10 said:

Am I more 'God' than a rock? 

No

On 3/17/2021 at 11:36 AM, SS10 said:

If everything is God, you can filter God out, and what is left is what people can only see.

Exactly right. All concepts of God are false.

When Leo says "you are God", he is not asking you to construct a new belief per say. He is asking you to deconstruct your entire reality so that only Absolute Truth remains.

After you do that, then you can use these conceptualization like "you are God" to point the way for others.

[Carl-Richard]

On 17.3.2021 at 6:57 PM, Jodistrict said:

Most therapists are equally as lost.

I believe SD comes in handy here. I'm mainly mentioning psychoanalysis as it laid the groundwork for therapy as a concept (although CBT is a popular and separate tradition). Freud established psychoanalysis within a very Blue framework. His entire intrapsychic structural model of id-ego-supergo is centered around taming egocentric impulses (id — beige-red) by training your ego to mediate between that and your sociocultural conscience (superego — blue).

With that as a foundation, therapy was a means for making people well-behaved citizens. The goal was not to make people more happy or self-actualized (happened later with A. Maslow and C. Rogers). This thinking is still a common pathology within the mainstream, although there is hope. We're moving more and more towards an integration with Eastern knowledge (mindfulness etc.), and if anything, my work will be to steer it in that direction (locally of course ).

[Leo Gura]

There are many degrees of quality to psychology. It can be done poorly, it can be done exceptionally.

The trick is that you cannot have an accurate understanding of psychology without personal experience jailbreaking your own mind, which requires excellent grasp of epistemology, metaphysics, and spirituality.

[Preety_India]

That's literally impossible. That's like knowing how to dissect the human body and organs without being a surgeon. 

 

[Jodistrict]

During the 1970s, the psychology departments were dominated by behaviorism – the notion that we are stimulus-response machines, and the mind is a myth.  This triteness was finally debunked by Chomsky – a linguist.   The most popular therapy is now cognitive therapy, which its founders admit comes from stoicism, which is over a thousand years old.  They had to go that far back to find something that works.  What was the value of anything done in the 20th century?  Now they have claimed mindfulness as a therapy, which goes back thousands of years.    Again, why do they have to reach back to ancient methods.  What have they done?   Their one claim to discovery is the unconscious – but Hinduism knew about this thousands of years ago.   

Edited March 20, 2021 by Jodistrict

[Rilles]

2 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

The most popular therapy is now cognitive therapy, which its founders admit comes from stoicism, which is over a thousand years old.  They had to go that far back to find something that works.  What was the value of anything done in the 20th century?  Now they have claimed mindfulness as a therapy, which goes back thousands of years.    Again, why do they have to reach back to ancient methods.  What have they done?   Their one claim to discovery is the unconscious – but Hinduism knew about this thousands of years ago.   

Haha, so true. 

However, Stoicism itself might have come from Hinduism and Buddhism, The Greco-Roman world had contact with them through their expansion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosophists

Edited March 20, 2021 by Rilles

[Carl-Richard]

12 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

During the 1970s, the psychology departments were dominated by behaviorism – the notion that we are stimulus-response machines, and the mind is a myth.  This triteness was finally debunked by Chomsky – a linguist.  

It takes a genius to nudge a discipline away from seductive reductionism, although his Language Acquisition Device model isn't as popular nowadays. The behaviorists were like "this is what actually exists" while the cognitive revolutionists were like "but your models suck".

This is one reason why it takes a degree of system awareness to not misunderstand cognitive models, because the behaviorist tendency of wanting to view everything as real/physical is still running strong in people's minds.

For example, psychology students will often conflate a cognitive model with a model of the brain. There is an impulse of wanting to assign a physical slot for everything.

And of course, nobody understands what a brain model really is either (that is the deeper problem) . When the teacher mentions in passing "remember, we're talking about "neural correlates", it mostly falls on deaf ears.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Woke456]

14 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

During the 1970s, the psychology departments were dominated by behaviorism – the notion that we are stimulus-response machines, and the mind is a myth.  This triteness was finally debunked by Chomsky – a linguist.   The most popular therapy is now cognitive therapy, which its founders admit comes from stoicism, which is over a thousand years old.  They had to go that far back to find something that works.  What was the value of anything done in the 20th century?  Now they have claimed mindfulness as a therapy, which goes back thousands of years.    Again, why do they have to reach back to ancient methods.  What have they done?   Their one claim to discovery is the unconscious – but Hinduism knew about this thousands of years ago.   

I think they also found IQ and the Big Five traits using empricism.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Woke456 said:

I think they also found IQ and the Big Five traits using empricism.

Big Five is based on something called the adjective lexical approach. You scan the dictionary for words that are associated with a certain personality trait and find the traits based on the words that have the most synonyms, in this case adjectives. For example, "outgoing" would be a synonym for the trait now known as "extroverted". I think it's a very cool method, but it's not without its flaws.

When you say "using empiricism", you have to be careful. It's true that they have found a lot of empirical support for the theory, but the traits weren't "found" by simply using empiricism. Empiricism doesn't stand on its own as a methodology. You always start with a specific a priori conceptual framework when building a theory. Empirical studies can be used as a refinement tool, and that is one of the strengths of Big 5.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Carl-Richard