Imagining that someone is smarter than I am - mind-fuck

[LastThursday]

1 hour ago, Zigzag Idiot said:

I can’t remember ever meeting a stupid person who had any degree of clarity regarding the extent of their own stupidity. If it were to happen, I think chances are it would be someone who was childlike. I don’t know,,,

If it were to suddenly happen, they would probably call it enlightenment.

[hyruga]

Even a road-sweeper is smarter than you at road-sweeping currently at least.

Edited March 12, 2021 by hyruga

[mandyjw]

36 minutes ago, Gesundheit said:

Nothing significant about any of them.

@Gesundheit Significant means having a meaning, and you give meaning to the word significant and decide what is and what isn't, because you think you're significant, which gives you the significance to think you're insignificant, and to decide which words and things are significant or insignificant to you.

34 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

The circularity makes me feel queasy. Adults teaching children who become adults teaching children... I guess the idea of being smart must come from somewhere though right? Although, it's totally possible that my thought that I'm smarter than a child is actually bogus and I'm utterly deluded. Although, I was using the analogy, so that @rnd could get a handle on what it's like to think you're smarter than someone else, the sensation of it.

Sometimes a mind affirming thought can be mistaken for a mindfuck. The term mind-fuck points to the end of mind or the dissolution of the separate mind into Oneness. The attempt at imagining another mind doesn't go anywhere except for practical purposes (teaching a kid to brush their teeth). If you do try to teach a child you realize how important it is to be open because you realize that you can't just transfer understanding, but that effective teaching requires a huge amount of awareness and openness on the part of the teacher to be successful. 

Children were taught the earth was flat for generations and that was considered knowledge. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by mandyjw

[Zigzag Idiot]

38 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

If it were to suddenly happen, they would probably call it enlightenment.

Maybe even with high wattage,,,,?

[seeking_brilliance]

Social conditioning has an awful relationship with what's 'smart'. I'd bet your largest issue is thinking that retaining knowledge and regurgitating it at lightening speeds is much smarter than someone who works a farm and speaks slow, and cares for a large nuclear family with unconditional love and patience. 

[integral]

Leos level development was forged from many years of practice and study, this is not born.

Self actualization/development will translate to a "smarter" you. 

If the goal is excellence you will climb to match with the best. But dont think that road is easy or even possible, there are many lucky life conditions that need to fall into place starting from and even before birth. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by integral

[LastThursday]

12 minutes ago, integral said:

Self actualization/development will translate to a "smarter" you.

By whose standard? I suppose you could compare your new self to your old self and use that as a standard, but it's asking for trouble and delusion.

[integral]

@LastThursday Its written for orange mostly, i dont think he understands that people walked a path of some kind, From  A to Z, they dont have magical abilities. 

7 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

By whose standard? I suppose you could compare your new self to your old self and use that as a standard, but it's asking for trouble and delusion.

 Delusion from the absolute perspective? We can still improve relatively.  Maybe i misunderstood the question. 

Why is it asking for trouble and delusion?

[LastThursday]

19 minutes ago, integral said:

Why is it asking for trouble and delusion?

Sorry I was being a drama queen. 

What I meant was that people can and will believe anything they like, including thinking that they're are now more smart than they used to be, even though it's not true. Otherwise known as self-delusion. It's trouble because you think you're getting somewhere when you're not.

[AdamR95]

2 hours ago, LastThursday said:

Adults teaching children who become adults teaching children... I guess the idea of being smart must come from somewhere though right?

It comes from experience, adults teaching child is one part of experience. And also child carries experience of his ancestors coded in his DNA .

Edited March 12, 2021 by AdamR95

[LastThursday]

7 minutes ago, AdamR95 said:

It comes from experience, adults teaching child is one part of experience. And chield carries experience of his ancestors coded in his DNA too.

Yes, but the idea of being "smart" comes from people not experience (as if they're different!).

It's a very good point about experience or smartness in our DNA. The body has had 4 billion years to accumulate knowledge. It is way smarter than we give it credit for. I'm sure I've seen a Sadhguru video about this very thing.

Edited March 12, 2021 by LastThursday

[AdamR95]

6 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

Yes, but the idea of being "smart" comes from people not experience.

It comes from it too. Its a limited idea though.

 

6 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

It's a very good point about experience or smartness in our DNA. The body has had 4 billion years to accumulate knowledge. It is way smarter than we give it credit for. I'm sure I've seen a Sadhguru video about this very thing.

yeah its where the intuition comes from

Edited March 12, 2021 by AdamR95

[Gesundheit]

3 hours ago, mandyjw said:

@Gesundheit Significant means having a meaning, and you give meaning to the word significant and decide what is and what isn't, because you think you're significant, which gives you the significance to think you're insignificant, and to decide which words and things are significant or insignificant to you.

Correct, except that there's no me that does any of that.

[integral]

2 hours ago, LastThursday said:

What I meant was that people can and will believe anything they like, including thinking that they're are now more smart than they used to be, even though it's not true. Otherwise known as self-delusion. It's trouble because you think you're getting somewhere when you're not.

Makes sense, plenty of traps on the path.

After watching all of leos videos multiple times and learning a bunch of models im getting the sense that im "smarter".  Because i can see more then i did before. 

So by my current level of development, smarter = seeing more = aware of more

But from many perspectives nothing has changed. 

Smarter is relative. 

Hmm it can also be framed as seeing less. lol 

Edited March 12, 2021 by integral

[Gesundheit]

I think Sadhguru is the smartest guru in our era, and by a landslide. I think he's very sneaky but only shows a little. There's something about his mind that makes him unique, but it's intuitive to me I can't put it into words.

[Gesundheit]

This guy @zeroISinfinity is one sneaky undercover genius, but he's also clearly a fucking psycho. Reminds me of The Joker.

Edited March 13, 2021 by Gesundheit

[Hulia]

On 12.3.2021 at 2:44 PM, seeking_brilliance said:

Social conditioning has an awful relationship with what's 'smart'. I'd bet your largest issue is thinking that retaining knowledge and regurgitating it at lightening speeds is much smarter than someone who works a farm and speaks slow, and cares for a large nuclear family with unconditional love and patience. 

I would replace the word "smart" for "deep". That is really very-very rare. I don´t know anybody in real life who is deeper than me. 

[Gesundheit]

5 minutes ago, Hulia said:

I don´t know anybody in real life who is deeper than me. 

But now you've finally had the honors of conversing with one, even though indirectly 

[seeking_brilliance]

@Hulia how many people do you know in real life? 

[Hulia]

24 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

@Hulia how many people do you know in real life? 

I don´t meet people in my free time normally, maybe on vacation or so there are some aquantancies. But I often changed the job. So if I count all the colleagues in my vicinity, neigbors,  some occasional aquantancies, I don´t know  - 200 or so? I mean in the last 10 years or so.  There are of course more people whom I know, but I exclude those whom I don´t know good enough.