My Mom Has Hashimoto Disease, Useful Tips?

[Twega]

If any of you have experience with (whether it be you or someone else you know)  this disease, please give me some helpful info.

[Leo Gura]

Research, research, research!

Buy books and read them.

The root cause of many auto-immune conditions is either a food or environmental toxin trigger that aggravates the immune system. You must find the trigger and eliminate it. Could be gluten, dairy, heavy metals, plastics, trans fats, MSG, preservatives, food coloring, metal fillings, pesticides, or a thousand other things.

Traditional doctors are clueless and will deeply mislead you on this condition. Their advice can not only be not-helpful but even harmful.

[Hardkill]

29 minutes ago, Twega said:

If any of you have experience with (whether it be you or someone else you know)  this disease, please give me some helpful info.

Has your mom been seeing a medical specialist like an endocrinologist or thyroidologist?

Edited March 9, 2021 by Hardkill

[Twega]

@Hardkill  yeah she did, only gave her a diagnosis and some meds.

[Hardkill]

2 minutes ago, Twega said:

@Hardkill  yeah she did, only gave her a diagnosis and some meds.

Oh okay. That's good she did that. Yeah, I would then follow what Leo just said above as I believe he has experience dealing with thyroid issues himself.

[Twega]

@Leo Gura  Your mom has it too I believe it, right? My mom is so closed-minded it'll take me just as much effort convincing her to change as it will take researching.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Twega said:

@Leo Gura  Your mom has it too I believe it, right? My mom is so closed-minded it'll take me just as much effort convincing her to change as it will take researching.

You can't change her. She has to want to change. She will have to make serious permanent dietary changes. The first of which should be cutting out all wheat products forever. Good luck convincing her of that.

[Hardkill]

My mom has had thyroid issues too and also saw an endocrinologist/thyroidologist before too for meds. Considering the fact that she is somewhat underweight, if she gained about 10 lbs. on then I think that her thyroid would function better overall. 

Is your mom of healthy weight?

Edited March 9, 2021 by Hardkill

[Michael569]

@Twega With any autoimmunity, there is nearly always a gut health problem. Increased gut permeability is a common issue. Once antigens of different foods start falling through, they trigger an immune reaction and because we have now manipulated food to sometimes appears similar to our own tissue (by accident) a haywire immune reaction to a protein from food may resemble a tissue of our own (e..g thyroid tissue) and so the immune system goes a bit bonkers. At least this is one of the theories behind autoimmunity. Anyways, so gut health probably plays a role here. Intolerances and sensitivities would give you an indication of leaky gut as well. 

Poor balance of fatty acids may cause deficiency of Resolvins (they are dependant on eicosanoids derived from alpha-linolenic acid and DHA) . Is she omega 6 dominant? 

Prolonged chronic stress is another one

Vitamin D deficiency especially a one that has been going on for long time is common especially if she was not exposed to maternal vitamin D in abundance, for example in MS being born to a mother deficient in vitamin D is a great risk factor.

Other things are proinflammatory diets (heavy in animal foods, deficient in plants) 

Get her diet as close to plant-based, reduce her saturated fats, consider shot-term reduction of dairy and see if that helps and definitely get her see a specialist in gut healing (if that's the cause). A functional medicine doctor or ND may help her more than an endocrinologist unless she wants to remain on meds which is also an option for some people.  Bear in mind that she HAS TO take thyroid medication if her thyroid is slow until she can fix it because unmanaged hypothyroidism is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease 

 

[UDT]

On 09/03/2021 at 0:41 PM, Michael569 said:

Other things are proinflammatory diets (heavy in animal foods, deficient in plants) 

How are animal foods more inflammatory than plant foods?

[UDT]

@Twega  To cope better not cure: A dessicated animal thyroid supplement and ed light therapy on the gland for cell stimulation.

Btw how was her hashimotos diagnosed? There is a difference between hypothyroid condition (low thyroid hormones) and hashimoto's thyroiditis (swollen and tissue damaged thyroid with high inflammatory markers)

If its really clinical HT, go to a specialist, there are way to many variables to recommend anything via the internez. 

Basically you´ll need to reverse the auto-immune response. This is hard. 

Your best shot probably is to reset her system somehow,
meaning cutting out nearly all food, fasting, cleansing the gut, fixing potential leaky gut or parasites, sibo,
getting her into ketosis and autophagy continously observing her symptoms best both qualitatively and through quantitative blood markers,
then slowly reintroducing highly palpable foods such as berries & roots slowly slowly trying to add variety continously observing her reaction to the foods etc. etc.

Your immune system resides to a substantial amount within the gut. 

Depending on her age and lifestyle this is extremely difficult. You could also try to find a specialist who will not put her on immune suppressants but has some alternative therapeutic approach.

Good Luck!

[Michael569]

On 12/03/2021 at 7:43 PM, UDT said:

How are animal foods more inflammatory than plant foods?

sorry, missed this one. 

The short answer is that saturated fat content triggers a localised immune response in the gut 

The long answer is that the high saturated fat content of animal foods triggers something called Toll-Like Receptors 4 in the gut similarly the LPS from toxic bacteria would. These can interact with secondary messenger NF-kB to enter the nucleus of the cell and trigger a pro-inflammatory response including COX-2 and other mediators. 

"Current evidence suggests that saturated fatty acids (SFA) act as non-microbial TLR4 agonists, and trigger its inflammatory response. Thus, our present review provides a new perspective on the potential mechanism by which SFAs could modulate TLR4-induced inflammatory responses: (1) SFAs can be recognized by CD14-TLR4-MD2 complex and trigger inflammatory pathways, similar to lipopolysaccharide (LPS). (2) SFAs lead to modification of gut microbiota with an overproduction of LPS after a high-fat intake, enhancing this natural TLR4 ligand"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26687466/

Basically, if you suffer from any condition where chronic inflammation is present (anything ending with -itis or autoimmunity, asthma etc), meat needs to be either minimised or removed. Generally, there is little to no benefit of eating white meat or red meat when the benefits vs downsides are considered. 

[Leo Gura]

On 3/12/2021 at 11:43 AM, UDT said:

How are animal foods more inflammatory than plant foods?

Don't assume that. Actually test it on yourself. Plants can be very inflammatory. It all depends.

[WaveInTheOcean]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't assume that. Actually test it on yourself. Plants can be very inflammatory. It all depends.

They can only be inflammatory if your immune system is overreacting (you're allergic to something).

If your immune function is normal, then basically all plantbased foods (assuming it's whole) are antiinflammatory. Gotta get those ?

Edited April 8, 2021 by WaveInTheOcean

[Michael569]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Plants can be very inflammatory.

Hmm, I don't know. If your gut is inflamed, yeah maybe they will be irritating but there is not much in there that can trigger inflammation unless it is something like coconut oil or processed vegan junk. Although it is true that everything we eat produces a tiny bit of immune response as the gut is "sampling" things to build up immune tolerance. 

But yah, agree that direct experience beats any research