THIS is the only home you will ever find.

[GreenWoods]

24 minutes ago, James123 said:

@GreenWoods just dont think, whatever left is what you are.

How can "what you are" be 'known/experienced' without consciousness? If there is no consciousness involved it couldn't be 'known' in any way. And you couldn't be sure that 'you' 'found' the ultimate Nature.

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

Because consciousness is still a thought.

How is consciousness a thought? In 'my experience' thoughts happen within consciousness. And recognition of consciousness can 'occur' without thoughts. 

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

. Where were you before birth, what happens to you when you sleep? 

What makes you think that sleep is possible?

I'm not making the point of saying that sleep and what happened 5 minutes ago is imagination in the now.

I'm proposing, that from the relative perspective, what happened 5 minutes ago is one "experience" or "now moment" within Infinity, whereas sleep is not possible, never happens, is not part of what can 'exist'.

27 minutes ago, James123 said:

. Because if you talk it comes from mind, you can just “be”.  

To 'know' that you are/be it, requires consciousness.

[GreenWoods]

@Adamq8 ?❤

[James123]

6 minutes ago, GreenWoods said:

To 'know' that you are/be it, requires consciousness

consciousness is something that you have learned. Only way to realize what you are, you have to forget everything you have learned. Including yourself. 

@GreenWoods brother, you need to go way deeper. 

Good luck ?

[Adamq8]

@James123 James brother you are playing word games and using thoughts as much as the next guy and using concepts which is unavoidable.

But total unconciousness/non existence points to exactly that, non existence. 

Is it possible to experience it? No it will just be a leap exactly like when you sleep , the moment you fall asleep is the moment you wake up.

What does that tell you about the nature of things? Of awareness?

Prior to birth is also a concept which you have no experience of and is a fantasy in the now.

What is there prior to dreaming when I go to sleep tonight?

There is no before birth because birth didnt happen.

 

Where were the dream character prior to you sleeping? You are being and being is everything and iam litteraly YOU.

Life is a dream 

So how can we say that it will be like prior to birth? That is a fantasy you are creating in your mind now and is a thought too.

Being without thought and identification is nothing but is perfectly aware but we can use the word being instead of awareness, we can call it source or god or nothing. 

Awareness is exactly nothing.

It is being.

and ofcourse im wrong and this is only thoughts and does not say anything about what we point to.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by Adamq8

[GreenWoods]

21 minutes ago, James123 said:

consciousness is something that you have learned. Only way to realize what you are, you have to forget everything you have learned. Including yourself. 

That doesn't make any sense

How can I realize what I am without consciousness? 

Sure, everything needs to be forgotten, but consciousness remains. Otherwise it would never be 'known' that the ultimate Nature was found.

Edited March 7, 2021 by GreenWoods

[James123]

@Adamq8 @GreenWoods consciousness is nothingness . Nothingness or consciousness can just be. As sleep, before birth and now. During your so called sleep or before birth, you are just being, there is no thoughts there as consciousness, or nothingness. Even word of nothingness is not nothing. Therefore nothingness or consciousness is just “being”. Therefore you can not experience consciousness or nothingness, you can just be. 

peace guys. 

[Adamq8]

@James123 Yes just Being.

There is only conciousness as there is not two substances here??

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by Adamq8

[GreenWoods]

@James123 Peace, and thanks for the responses?

[James123]

@Adamq8 @GreenWoods ❤️??✊

[GreenWoods]

15 minutes ago, Adamq8 said:

@James123  Yes just Being.

There is only conciousness as there is not two substances here??

☺?

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by GreenWoods

[VeganAwake]

Note:

The conditioned mind will twist and distort the stories it hears about what Awakening or Liberation actually is to meet its grandiose beliefs of what it wants it to be like.

Hence the importance of completely emptying out the glass.(it's not really important but pertaining to Enlightenment it's absolutely necessary).

 

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it's the illusion of knowledge"

Simply put: believing you already know or have the answer to something obscures the realization from being recognized.

Same as

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows"

❤

 

 

 

[James123]

8 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

 

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it's the illusion of knowledge"

Simply put: believing you already know or have the answer to something obscures the realization from being recognized.

Same as

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows"

❤

❤️??✊

[GreenWoods]

Unconsciousness doesn't exist. Because Consciousness is Self-Conscious.

But from the ego's POV, it seems like unconsciousness exists. 'Unconsciousness' is full ego death, 100% Godhead. It isn't actual unconsciousness, because You, God, are fully Conscious. But without ego. So, if the ego later 'returns', it seems like there was nothing, because there was no ego.

Therefore I don't think 100% Godhead can be experienced or known. It can only be be-ed by God, with full Consciousness. But never known by something finite. The finite can't experience the Infinite. Only the Infinite can 'experience' the Infinite.

[WaveInTheOcean]

Nothingness - Existence - Nothingness - Existence - Nothingness ... And so to infinity. A wave is made up of troughs and crests; and they always follow each other

[Hen Zuhe]

@VeganAwake  There is a PEACE Inside Us ALL. Our real peacefull place at home. Inside us ALL.

Real Love . Live - Joy.

In our Heart.

 

 

PD :

- In this life-plane of existence. In others planes this is different. (

- It sounds like a song.

NAMASTE.