Is Joe Rogan Irresponsible?

[Preety_India]

@Parththakkar12 so now you're going to say that a constitution shouldn't have a right?. 

[Parththakkar12]

@Preety_India Nope. I'm just paying attention to the reality. I'm just taking the 'right of the constitution' with a grain of salt.

'The constitution' does not have absolute power. When you see that, you start to see it as a tool that you could use either way. You'll know the intentions of those using it and you'll be able to predict what'll happen next.

[Preety_India]

@Parththakkar12 well I'll break some good news to you. 

Constitution has absolute power. And that's why we are alive today. 

There will always be  an authoritarian body to govern humanity 

The only time when we won't need rules is when we are all at advanced stage of morality where our own morals surpass our human needs and we respect each other's space and don't need rules to dictate us. 

Till then, we will always have a constitution or an authority on morality. 

 

[Parththakkar12]

@Preety_India Tell that to the traffic police-officer who takes bribes. They'll laugh you out of the room because they've been living off of bribery for their whole life! Where is your 'absolute power of the constitution'? Why can't it stop them?

[Preety_India]

@Parththakkar12 that's not because of the constitution. The constitution is a set of definitive principles. 

For these principles to be in force, you need a governing body that is ready to enforce these principles, without which, the system crumbles, constitution is not human being to enforce itself. 

India is a fake Democracy, by simply having a book or table of principles doesn't make India a democracy, it only becomes a democracy when those principles are put into action. A truly Democracy has to play by the constitution, which India doesn't. 

 

[Danioover9000]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Very few, because someone who's serious about transforming society would not be playing the stock market game to begin with.

(Full disclosure: I do own some stocks as long-term cash storage vehicles)

   Good contradiction.

[fortifyacacia3]

@Danioover9000 compounding interest and investing is not the same as gambling.

[Danioover9000]

@fortifyacacia3

4 hours ago, fortifyacacia3 said:

@Danioover9000 compounding interest and investing is not the same as gambling.

   I was being positively sarcastic with Leo. It's  good to be contradictory sometimes.

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Good contradiction.

The key difference is that I do not use the stock market to make my money.

It is a problem when you guys try to use the stock market as your method of getting rich.

Stocks are fine for holding some savings and getting a 8% average annual return. The problem comes when you expect your stocks to give you 10x returns and make you rich.

Make yourself rich, then put some of your riches into the market to avoid inflation.

[Phyllis Wagner]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The key difference is that I do not use the stock market to make my money.

It is a problem when you guys try to use the stock market as your method of getting rich.

Stocks are fine for holding some savings and getting a 8% average annual return. The problem comes when you expect your stocks to give you 10x returns and make you rich.

Make yourself rich, then put some of your riches into the market to avoid inflation.

Well you could always have good intuition and invest some play money into companies that make it big and get rich that way. It's not a total casino. There are also some lessons about herd mentality, bubbles etc that can be learned by watching the market.

But I've been watching some GME youtubers lately and I agree, daytrading is insane. I admit it is kind of fun watching charts all day but it is basically the same mindset gamblers on the roulette table have, delusions of gaming the system included.

[montecristo]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The key difference is that I do not use the stock market to make my money.

It is a problem when you guys try to use the stock market as your method of getting rich.

Stocks are fine for holding some savings and getting a 8% average annual return. The problem comes when you expect your stocks to give you 10x returns and make you rich.

Make yourself rich, then put some of your riches into the market to avoid inflation.

I have made several million dollars trading stocks and cryptocurrencies exclusively started with $10,000 of savings from working at a restaurant for 6 years. I didn't need to engage in any devilry or manipulation of other people to do it either. I am now free to pursue things that WILL elevate mankind without the need to muddy my day to day consciousness and activities in the pursuit of money. I don't need to combine my life purpose with some kind of business or need for money to sustain myself. I hate to break it to people but getting rich quick is very possible, just go where the money is and then spend the rest of your time engaging in things that are more pure. I do in fact have plans in the works that will have a positive impact on every single person on this planet...

Obviously I'm probably the exception but it's very possible to get your piece of the pie when there are trillions of dollars sloshing around everyday in financial markets. Especially if you use options and leverage. ?

 

[montecristo]

15 hours ago, fortifyacacia3 said:

@Danioover9000 compounding interest and investing is not the same as gambling.

it is the same, just a less fun/lucrative version. Don't kid yourself

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, montecristo said:

I didn't need to engage in any devilry or manipulation of other people to do it either.

Making that much is devilry and manipulation itself. The manipulation is built right into the market so that devils like you cans say, "See, I didn't steal from anyone." But actually, you did. Since you didn't generate any real value.

That's capitalism. All the systems are unconsciously designed to steal value from people yet all the theives can tell themselves that didn't steal anything and thus sleep well at night.

Your millions came from many working people losing what little they had. Your freedom costs 10-100 people to be wage slaves for life.

[Joel3102]

1 hour ago, datamonster said:

Sounds like what you're saying is that employment is inherently bad?!

So, how can you be successful in business without being being a "thief" and a one-man company like you are, according to you?

Capitalism definitely has it's issues, but people shouldn't discuss these things in a vacuum in such a moralistic fashion, what are the alternatives? I'm yet to hear a convincing case for socialism rather over a well regulated social democracy. 

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The key difference is that I do not use the stock market to make my money.

It is a problem when you guys try to use the stock market as your method of getting rich.

Stocks are fine for holding some savings and getting a 8% average annual return. The problem comes when you expect your stocks to give you 10x returns and make you rich.

Make yourself rich, then put some of your riches into the market to avoid inflation.

   I meant the good contradiction as a positive, not in a negative meaning, because it's ironic that lately there's a strong aversion to day trading and other financial investments here like crypto-currency, and then you invest some yourself, probably some other investment.

   As long as anyone provides greater value than investing in stocks, real estate and small business, combined with knowing ways to save money, then it's okay. However, when anytime somebody starts revolving their life purpose around money or finance purely, that's when things go negative, sooner or later. Investing in ownership assets, like stocks, real estate and small business, combined with saving, is enough. Fields like day trading and bit coin related finance fields become way too much like gambling, and I've got way more to do than star at graphs anyways.

Edited March 13, 2021 by Danioover9000

[montecristo]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Making that much is devilry and manipulation itself. The manipulation is built right into the market so that devils like you cans say, "See, I didn't steal from anyone." But actually, you did. Since you didn't generate any real value.

That's capitalism. All the systems are unconsciously designed to steal value from people yet all the theives can tell themselves that didn't steal anything and thus sleep well at night.

Your millions came from many working people losing what little they had. Your freedom costs 10-100 people to be wage slaves for life.

How is it stealing when the person who bought my shares was willing to pay the price I sold them for?

How is investing in stocks to avoid inflation not exactly the same as what I'm doing as a speculator? You're harvesting value from the market same as me, just less.

Your point ultimately is that I get to control and spend money and in return receive actual tangible value, while I didn't create an equal amount of value. When you extrapolate this type of transaction out to a macro scale you quickly see that this is the same as one group trading nothing for something, or in other words stealing. So you see that if you "keep up with inflation" you're getting ahead of someone else, who worked for that money while you got it "for free" storing it in stocks.  Of course it's not even exclusive to the stock market, a good example is that for a person to even have a job they must be by definition producing more value than they receive otherwise the boss wouldn't be able to make any money, duh. But of course that IS stealing...

As a whole finacial markets are the main place where value is harvested in monetary form, not where it's created.

Me as a participant feeds into the system but it would exist without me and as you always say Leo, survival is dirty. 

[Bryanbrax]

On 3/5/2021 at 4:33 AM, Leo Gura said:

Only after I did it myself by leaving all the doctors behind. If I was listening to my conventional doctors I would be fucked.

And still, the diagnosis I got is very limited and partial and is not sufficient to give a clear picture of the root cause or how to cure it.

i recommend getting an analysis fromhttp://www.red-spirit-energy-healing.com/

its an energetic healing website now i know what u thinking " sounds like another one of those money grabs " 

they have an in depth explanation on what they do and what not , they do free discovery sessions where they examine your energetic influence whats causing the issue and more details.

here below is a session a person shared in a discord group , the person had toxic shock which lead to nerve damage 

[Bryanbrax]

i also did a discovery session to see what i would get i didnt share any information about my energy or anything like that just my name and date of birth. ive learned more than i expected @Leo Gura

[Striving for more]

On 05/03/2021 at 3:42 PM, Opo said:

"Is Joe Rogan Irresponsible?" 

Yes. 

Remember people try to avoid brain damage as much as you can. All the consequences of it might not be visible for decades. 

 

@Opo You linking to his Martial arts competitions ?

Never thought he had brain damage, he quit martial arts early on but have no clue

Edited March 13, 2021 by Striving for more

[Epikur]

No he quit very early. The only brain damage might come from DMT.