Is Joe Rogan Irresponsible?

[Hansu]

30 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

So I'm not sure that it's fair to shift the burden of responsibility here on to ordinary people, when society hasn't given them the tools to discern truth from falsehood, how to tell if an information source is biased, etc.

A lot of, well let's call them Epistemologically Challenged and Media Illiterate people over here. That being the case, it makes more sense to me to hold people with millions of followers who spread disinformation accountable  rather than victim blaming epistemologically and media illiterate people.

I can see the logic behind that. But it also goes both ways. Lets say that the media stays "responsible" in the eyes of the government, it could have conservative effect. Something like use of marijuana or LSD in a TV-show could be prohibited by the directors because "Hey, lets stay responsible. We dont want to promote use of illegal drugs!"

EDIT: but yeah, USA school system should definitely teach pupils to question media

Edited March 5, 2021 by Hansu

[DocWatts]

9 minutes ago, Hansu said:

I can see the logic behind that. But it also goes both ways. Lets say that the media stays "responsible" in the eyes of the government, it could have conservative effect. Something like use of marijuana or LSD in a TV-show could be prohibited by the directors because "Hey, lets stay responsible. We dont want to promote use of illegal drugs!"

EDIT: but yeah, USA school system should definitely teach pupils to question media

Problem is that people over here do question media, but do it on the most surface level and unhealthy way imaginable; they'll be almost completely uncritical of Information Sources that reinforce thier existing Biases, while picking apart Information Sources that don't conform to thier Worldview in a very un-nuanced way.

And obviously Americans don't have a monopoly on this sort of thing, as its an expected part of human psychology, but the problem tends to be worse here because almost nothing has been done to educate people on Media Literacy in landscape where sensationalist Media is so pervasive in people's day to day lives.

Quite the contrary in fact, since it leaves room for Bad Actors to come in and manipulate this state of affairs to thier advantage (Fox News, Trump, Conspiracy Peddlers, take your pick).

[Opo]

"Is Joe Rogan Irresponsible?" 

Yes. 

Remember people try to avoid brain damage as much as you can. All the consequences of it might not be visible for decades. 

Sry if it's off topic, I didn't watch your video but the title reminded me of this. 

[Danioover9000]

   Are there multiple  types of biases? Foe examples, there's the rationale/speculation bais, similar to arm chair philosophy, and there's the intuition bias, of two people having different intuition in the same situations. There's also experiential bias, lived and imagined, that makes ine person's direct experience different from another's. Even in reasoning there's a bias, because some lines of reasoning, if I take action on, hurt me more, but other lines help me more.

   Is it different forms of confirmation bias?

[DocWatts]

@Danioover9000 There are indeed multiple types of Biases; diving in to all of them would be difficult to do with any brevity. Confirmation Bias is part of a broader set of Psychological Biases which influence our thoughts and beliefs. 

This Infographic on this site does a decent job at outlining fifty of the more common Cognitive Biases that are out there (though of course some of these are more common than others, and of course they differ in how benign or malignant they are in practice).


https://www.visualcapitalist.com/50-cognitive-biases-in-the-modern-world/

Edited March 5, 2021 by DocWatts

[docs20]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I could shoot exactly the same video in which I show how ineffective conventional western medicine is.

At least 50% of western medicine is bullshit that masquerades as "science".

OMG please do it!
 

[SgtPepper]

I don't think Joe is being irresponsible. 

I think people are being irresponsible when they don't take responsibility for their life. 

[NatureB]

I love Joe Rogan. At first I found him unbearable, but now that I know who he is I appreciate him more. He made a highly, highly nuanced point about porn and porn stars on the Theo Von episode that blew me away. He isn't just a meathead. He is genuinely thoughtful, well-rounded and experienced in life.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, NatureB said:

He isn't just a meathead. He is genuinely thoughtful, well-rounded and experienced in life.

Yes, but he also has some dumb political takes. Like on covid.

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, but he also has some dumb political takes. Like on covid.

His level of education isn’t great.

[vladorion]

On 3/5/2021 at 1:12 PM, datamonster said:

Sometimes you have very specific issues that need to be dealt with in very specific ways. This is where western medicine excels.

Only if the issue can be solved by a surgery. If you have a chronic issue that can't be solved by a surgery, they have no fucking clue. Most often they'll give you a bunch of pills that just suppress your symptoms while creating a bunch of other symptoms.

[DocWatts]

Maybe a better way of saying it is that western medicine is in the relative dark ages when future people look back on this era in a century. Compared to the medicine from the actual Dark Ages we're living in a relative Utopia, as attested by the fact that when you have surgery five burly men don't have to hold you down because anesthetics weren't a thing yet. 

Dark Ages and Utopias are a matter of perspective.

Edited March 7, 2021 by DocWatts

[Epikur]

14 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Maybe a better way of saying it is that western medicine is in the relative dark ages when future people look back on this era in a century. Compared to the medicine from the actual Dark Ages we're living in a relative Utopia, as attested by the fact that when you have surgery five burly men don't have to hold you down because anesthetics weren't a thing yet. 

Dark Ages and Utopias are a matter of perspective.

Agreed. Additionally spending time with DMT and anti-science is not always helpful to further new findings.

[DocWatts]

26 minutes ago, Epikur said:

Agreed. Additionally spending time with DMT and anti-science is not always helpful to further new findings.

Also agreed. Seems like it's easy to fall into the trap of demonizing Western Medicine (and taking all of its advancements completely for granted), when finding ways to Integrate Western Medicine and Holistic Practices seems like the obvious path forward.

Edited March 7, 2021 by DocWatts

[Danioover9000]

   How is Joe Rogan being Irresponsible? Could anyone give me a list of examples where he is being irresponsible? Also, to compare and contrast, How is his irresponsibility similar to and different from Leo's irresponsibility, for example? Or anyone besides Leo as a comparison?

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

How is Joe Rogan being Irresponsible? Could anyone give me a list of examples where he is being irresponsible?

• Platforming people like Alex Jones and other right-wing ideologues and devils
• Trafficking in conspiracy theories
• Misinforming people about Covid and lockdowns

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

• Platforming people like Alex Jones and other right-wing ideologues and devils
• Trafficking in conspiracy theories
• Misinforming people about Covid and lockdowns

Yeah, it really pisses me off that he's been promoting that kind of bullshit.

[Opo]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

• Platforming people like Alex Jones and other right-wing ideologues and devils

I wouldn't have a problem with that if he called them out on their bullshit. 

[Tanz]

This video plays into dark territory and he is attempting to instigate what people can say or try publicly and what they can not.  
Taking away free speech is even more dangerous,  

[Opo]

2 hours ago, Tanz said:

This video plays into dark territory and he is attempting to instigate what people can say or try publicly and what they can not.  
Taking away free speech is even more dangerous,  

What's this thing you call "free speech"? 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Opo