Biden's First Act Of War Hits 3 Countries

[Lyubov]

vaush taking a more yellow perspective at points

Edited March 4, 2021 by Lyubov

[yannick]

 

[Light Lover]

Joe Biden Predictable behavior as usual. I doubt he is even calling the shots though, I imagine VP Harris and the rest of his cabinet are doing the thinking for him.

[Jodistrict]

Putin isn´t afraid to explain and talk about significant things.  He is so interesting.  In contrast, American politicians are completely scripted and everything that comes out of their mouths is insignificant and boring.   This is part of living in a postmodern prison.

[DocWatts]

9 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Putin isn´t afraid to explain and talk about significant things.  He is so interesting.  In contrast, American politicians are completely scripted and everything that comes out of their mouths is insignificant and boring.   This is part of living in a postmodern prison.

Kind of comes with the territory when you've elected yourself President for Life. Is that a good tradeoff in exchange for no accountability or oversight, and treating the State as your own personal bank account? 

Politicians with a backbone can exist within a democratic framework, look to Bernie or AOC for people willing to speak in straightforward way with Conviction about a range of issues.

[Woke456]

@Leo Gura

On 3/4/2021 at 5:49 PM, Leo Gura said:

Don't sell him short, Trump was certainly a menace to the world.

Trump was the first president in 50 years not to attack a new county.  You fucked up.

[Woke456]

4 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

He illegally assassinated an Iranian General, potentially causing a new war. 

It wouldn't be a new war if that general was already attacking and killing US troops

[Hardkill]

13 hours ago, Woke456 said:

It wouldn't be a new war if that general was already attacking and killing US troops

It still put our relations with Iran in great jeopardy. Trump was almost as bad as Bush jr. when it came dealing with military/foreign policies. Trump also was always incredibly antagonistic towards almost every foreign in the world.

Also, practically all social science experts and intellectuals have already declared Trump as the worst president ever in modern US history. Furthermore, he's way more of crook than Nixon was. 

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

   Clearly, this entire situation is complicated. Let's assume that America does back out of the middle east region, does this also mean that other countries like China and Russia would do the same? We can have a long discussion about this scenario, but let's skip and go further by assuming that China, Russia and other foreign powers back off and decide to leave the middle eastern countries to sort themselves out, what then?

 

[commie]

Why the hypothetical? Russia became the main extra-regional actor during the Obama adminstration.

Why would Russia back out now? Sure, there are countless different worlds in which Russia would but you gave us no way to select one and the answer to your second question is therefore undefined.

[Woke456]

9 hours ago, Hardkill said:

It still put our relations with Iran in great jeopardy. Trump was almost as bad as Bush jr. when it came dealing with military/foreign policies. Trump also was always incredibly antagonistic towards almost every foreign in the world.

Also, practically all social science experts and intellectuals have already declared Trump as the worst president ever in modern US history. Furthermore, he's way more of crook than Nixon was. 

He's the first president in 50 years not to start a new war, and the only one to advance Middle East peace.  The results matter more than the media's opinion.

[DocWatts]

7 hours ago, Woke456 said:

He's the first president in 50 years not to start a new war, and the only one to advance Middle East peace.  The results matter more than the media's opinion.

A recent study found that around %40 of Covid deaths in the US could have been prevented if Trump had an even reasonably competent response to the pandemic.

Even were the claim that Trump didn't start any new wars actually true, he still somehow managed to kill more Americans with his domestic policies than America has lost in any of its wars, with the only exceptions being WWII and The Civil War. Quite an accomplishment really, as it takes an aggressive level of incompetence and negligence to rack up hundreds of thousands of deaths through means other than a war.

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[Epikur]

27 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

A recent study found that around %40 of Covid deaths in the US could have been prevented if Trump had an even reasonably competent response to the pandemic.

Even were the claim that Trump didn't start any new wars actually true, he still somehow managed to kill more Americans with his domestic policies than America has lost in any of its wars, with the only exceptions being WWII and The Civil War. Quite an accomplishment really, as it takes an aggressive level of incompetence and negligence to rack up hundreds of thousands of deaths through means other than a war.

Even if that would be true under Obama there was no real fight against obesity. So millions of people might have died because Obama did not prevent it. 

Whataboutism is not always wrong but it opens another can of worms.
 

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[DocWatts]

10 minutes ago, Epikur said:

Even if that would be true under Obama there was no real fight against obesity. So millions of people might have died because Obama did not prevent it. 

Whataboutism is not always wrong but it opens another can of warms.

Bringing up the deadly consequences of Trump's terrible domestic policy when someone tries to claim that Trump somehow holds a moral high ground for not killing a bunch of people is completely relevant.

Whataboutism would be if I brought up Trump in response to a critique of Biden or Obama for instance. Let's not abuse the term here 

If someone tried to argue that Hitler was great for Germany because of the economic benefits of the autobahn without addressing World War II or the Holocaust, you'd be completely right for calling them out for neglecting some obvious things, eh?

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[Woke456]

4 hours ago, DocWatts said:

A recent study found that around %40 of Covid deaths in the US could have been prevented if Trump had an even reasonably competent response to the pandemic.

Even were the claim that Trump didn't start any new wars actually true, he still somehow managed to kill more Americans with his domestic policies than America has lost in any of its wars, with the only exceptions being WWII and The Civil War. Quite an accomplishment really, as it takes an aggressive level of incompetence and negligence to rack up hundreds of thousands of deaths through means other than a war.

Haha, you know other countries had Covid, too.

[DocWatts]

44 minutes ago, Woke456 said:

Haha, you know other countries had Covid, too.

Yeah and they managed it far better than the US, which had more Covid deaths than any other country; more than China and India each of which have more than a billion people.

Had the Trump administration done at least a somewhat competent job of handing Covid, rather than downplaying and denying the pandemic for political reasons, hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been prevented.

In our legal system we have a concept called criminal negligence, and if it doesn't apply to this case it doesn't apply anywhere.

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[Woke456]

2 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Yeah and they managed it far better than the US, which had more Covid deaths than any other country; more than China and India each of which have more than a billion people.

Had the Trump administration done at least a somewhat competent job of handing Covid, rather than downplaying and denying the pandemic for political reasons, hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been prevented.

In our legal system we have a concept called criminal negligence, and if it doesn't apply to this case it doesn't apply anywhere.

UK, Beligum, Italy, and Spain didn't manage it better.  

[DocWatts]

46 minutes ago, Woke456 said:

UK, Beligum, Italy, and Spain didn't manage it better.  

Both the US and the UK were lead by right wing Populists with similar ideologies who ignored the advice of scientists and downplayed the pandemic, so no surprise both countries had similar outcomes as a result of thier negligent leadership.

Perhaps someone more familiar with Spain and Italy could chime in, but I do know that both countries have a higher proportion than the US does of an aging populations that's at unique risk for Covid. Belgium has a much more urbanized population than the US (Belgium is the 7th most urbanized country in the world, right behind Qatar and Hong Kong; the US is 36th, right ahead of Canada).

That said, I'll grant that the US isn't the only country that shit the bed when the pandemic hit, but that doesn't absolve Trump for things he easily could have done to prevent over a hundred thousand preventable deaths (just listen to the damn scientists, tell his legions of Cult like followers to wear a mask, stop pushing austerity measures to dismantle Health and Public Safety Services while in the middle of a pandemic, etc). Add to that Trump had literally no plan whatsoever to distribute vaccines to people, as Biden's transition team was shocked to find out.

Edited March 7, 2021 by DocWatts

[Woke456]

12 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Both the US and the UK were lead by right wing Populists with similar ideologies who ignored the advice of scientists and downplayed the pandemic, so no surprise both countries had similar outcomes as a result of thier negligent leadership.

Perhaps someone more familiar with Spain and Italy could chime in, but I do know that both countries have a higher proportion than the US does of an aging populations that's at unique risk for Covid. Belgium has a much more urbanized population than the US (Belgium is the 7th most urbanized country in the world, right behind Qatar and Hong Kong; the US is 36th, right ahead of Canada).

That said, I'll grant that the US isn't the only country that shit the bed when the pandemic hit, but that doesn't absolve Trump for things he easily could have done to prevent over a hundred thousand preventable deaths (just listen to the damn scientists, tell his legions of Cult like followers to wear a mask, stop pushing austerity measures to dismantle Health and Public Safety Services while in the middle of a pandemic, etc). Add to that Trump had literally no plan whatsoever to distribute vaccines to people, as Biden's transition team was shocked to find out.

The scientists told everyone not to wear masks for the first few months and states run by democrats were also devastated.  Lol, where did you get the last line of your rant?

[DocWatts]

59 minutes ago, Woke456 said:

The scientists told everyone not to wear masks for the first few months and states run by democrats were also devastated.  Lol, where did you get the last line of your rant?

The claim that scientists told people not to wear masks is something that circulated in the Conspiracy Theory community as a Bad Faith effort to discredit epidemiologists such as Dr. Fauci and to absolve Trump's culpability for his failure to adopt measures to address the pandemic. These are literally the same tactics that Bad Faith actors use to discredit climate change; they cherry pick any minor qualified reservation they can find and conflate that to try and discredit the entire scientific establishment.

Democratic states tend to be much more urbanized and thus have higher population densities than the largely rural Republican states, which is why they were hit harder in the initial stages of the pandemic. States that adopted mask mandates and stay at home orders were more successful in containing the spread of new cases. This is the same kind of idiocy as when you hear Right Wingers say that systemic racism doesn't exist because of 'black on black crime'; it's a Bad Faith oversimplification that intentionally disregards the underlying context surrounding the issue.

Trump not having a plan to distribute vaccines was from Biden's transition team, who were left holding the flaming garbage bag that Trump left them. His 'plan' was to leave the States to figure it out, without any coordinated help or action from the Federal Government.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29T0FY

 

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by DocWatts