You Are God, I'll Explain Why (nondual Void Thought Experiment)

[Elzhi]

It is actually logically impossible for you to be the human being that you see when you look in the mirror. Remember how Leo said that God is actually a singularity point that has no dimensions and is not a thing (paraphrasing)(also corroborated by quantam physicians)? That's what YOU are.

If you close your eyes, nothing in the environment can be seen any longer. Now imagine if you had been blind your whole life. You would still know that you exist but you just wouldn't ever see anything so there would be no way of discerning any differences between things without touching or feeling them

Now imagine that you had some rare disease which made you incapable of feeling things, which you've had your whole life, on top of already being blind. How can you know whether anything is short or tall, wide or thin? You can't see or feel anything. How would you even know that you have a body?

Now imagine that you could not hear, taste or smell anything on top of already being blind and incapable of feeling. Would there be any way of perceiving anything? Would you know whether you're alive or dead? Are you even alive now?

If you're not any of these sensations, not a person, not visible, not even something that can accurately be conceptualized,  yet your existence is self-evident, then what are you?

Yes I'm aware that Leo already addressed much of this but I'm just going into more detail with it.

Going even further, there is no way for you to know that any other "beings" exist. You're the creator of everything/the center of the universe. There's no way of knowing that there's anyone else like you because you created EVERYTHING. You cannot be perceived nor can you perceive anything. There isn't anything to be perceived to begin with. 

 

[Frogfucius]

Try and trace back when and where exactly your origin was. You’ll have to trace it before the sperm converged with the egg, inside your parents’ bodies. It’ll then have to be when your parents had a sense of lust for each other. But then it would be further back than that, to your grandparents' sense of lust. And traced all the way back to when life began. And life couldn’t have come into being without the solar system being the way it is, without the gases, temperature, and distance from the sun being exactly as it was. And that couldn’t have happened without the universe being set into motion to begin with. Your lineage traces all the way back to when the universe was set into motion, to what we call the Big Bang. You have existed since the beginning, and you will exist to the end. As long as consciousness exists, you’ll be able to experience yourself in some form or another.

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Frogfucius said:

Try and trace back when and where exactly your origin was. You’ll have to trace it before the sperm converged with the egg, inside your parents’ bodies. It’ll then have to be when your parents had a sense of lust for each other. But then it would be further back than that, to your grandparents' sense of lust. And traced all the way back to when life began. And life couldn’t have come into being without the solar system being the way it is, without the gases, temperature, and distance from the sun being exactly as it was. And that couldn’t have happened without the universe being set into motion to begin with. Your lineage traces all the way back to when the universe was set into motion, to what we call the Big Bang. You have existed since the beginning, and you will exist to the end. As long as consciousness exists, you’ll be able to experience yourself in some form or another.

Or no form, please say no form also,senpai

[Deep]

@Elzhi Your description is awesome and if you prefer to think of God in that way, go for it! Everyone has different ways of relating to God, to each their own. 

[Mulky]

7 hours ago, Elzhi said:

It is actually logically impossible for you to be the human being that you see when you look in the mirror. Remember how Leo said that God is actually a singularity point that has no dimensions and is not a thing (paraphrasing)(also corroborated by quantam physicians)? That's what YOU are.

If you close your eyes, nothing in the environment can be seen any longer. Now imagine if you had been blind your whole life. You would still know that you exist but you just wouldn't ever see anything so there would be no way of discerning any differences between things without touching or feeling them

Now imagine that you had some rare disease which made you incapable of feeling things, which you've had your whole life, on top of already being blind. How can you know whether anything is short or tall, wide or thin? You can't see or feel anything. How would you even know that you have a body?

Now imagine that you could not hear, taste or smell anything on top of already being blind and incapable of feeling. Would there be any way of perceiving anything? Would you know whether you're alive or dead? Are you even alive now?

If you're not any of these sensations, not a person, not visible, not even something that can accurately be conceptualized,  yet your existence is self-evident, then what are you?

Yes I'm aware that Leo already addressed much of this but I'm just going into more detail with it.

Going even further, there is no way for you to know that any other "beings" exist. You're the creator of everything/the center of the universe. There's no way of knowing that there's anyone else like you because you created EVERYTHING. You cannot be perceived nor can you perceive anything. There isn't anything to be perceived to begin with. 

I like this but a couple questions.  I get that you can't be perceived, but what do you mean by you can't perceive anything, in the example you gave I get that you can't percieve anything, but what about us who can see etc.  Also as awareness can I die, i mean if the body dies that i dont even know about in the story, would I die or what, I mean thats the big question.

7 hours ago, Elzhi said:

 

 

[Elzhi]

@Frogfucius There is no "Big Bang"

You're thinking about this in terms of science which is a pseudo-science at best. I was never born. I just am.  None of this is real. Reality in and of itself is actually just an open plane with no things. Everything that the human body can perceive is just information. Life is a computer simulation. The only thing I can know for sure is that I exist. Not this body, but I as in consciousness. I'm at the center of the universe. I am God.

[Elzhi]

@Mulky I, consciousness, cannot perceive anything because there's nothing to be perceived. If there's nothing to be perceived then there's no perception. Without perceived and perception, there's no perceiver. When my human body perceives my hand, it's only perceiving the perception of my hand, i.e my own subjective interpretation of my hand. That hand, however, doesn't exist in and of itself. It's holographic, just like my body. It's existence is dependent upon the existence of a perceiver, but the perceiver itself doesn't exist either. Does that make sense?

Awareness cannot die because it is neither alive nor dead, it just is. There's no way of telling whether your human body is alive or dead because it doesn't exist to begin with. Nothing is real.

Edited October 13, 2016 by Elzhi

[Elzhi]

I've also realized that there's a much darker side to this insight (darker in terms of the dualistic paradigm where moral principles still have some value)...

If this insight is so plainly obvious, then anyone who realizes this will know that there's no reason to play the good guy or the bad guy. There's no man up in the clouds who will damn you to hell. None of this is even real. It's more or less a videogame with no rules. It's like Grand Theft Auto. Religion does, however, serve the purpose of keeping people in check. I can't imagine the chaos that would ensue if everyone realized this. Maybe this is why we have psychopaths and sociopaths. 

[Frogfucius]

@Elzhi I know exactly what I'm doing using man-made labels, and I'm aware of solipsism. But I'm not going to disregard all scientific measurements, when I think this magnificent universe and its complexity beyond human comprehension deserves to be marveled at. I'm more apt to say there is a Big Bang, and yet there isn't. Everything is a paradox.

Edited October 13, 2016 by Frogfucius

[Elzhi]

@Frogfucius If we want to entertain the idea of scientific measurements having merit, then we also have to entertain the paradigm in which that idea exists which is the paradigm of infinite reality. Science only explains/predicts various phenomena in this reality because reality is infinite, meaning that everything is a coincidence. There's no inherent "genius" to the universe. We live in one possibility out of many which just so happens to have the features that it does.

I addressed many of these ideas in this thread: 

 

[SamEuphoria93]

Good point, however a person with a misinformed understanding could perceive this as solipsism

[Dodo]

On 12/10/2016 at 8:22 PM, Elzhi said:

It is actually logically impossible for you to be the human being that you see when you look in the mirror. Remember how Leo said that God is actually a singularity point that has no dimensions and is not a thing (paraphrasing)(also corroborated by quantam physicians)? That's what YOU are.

If you close your eyes, nothing in the environment can be seen any longer. Now imagine if you had been blind your whole life. You would still know that you exist but you just wouldn't ever see anything so there would be no way of discerning any differences between things without touching or feeling them

Now imagine that you had some rare disease which made you incapable of feeling things, which you've had your whole life, on top of already being blind. How can you know whether anything is short or tall, wide or thin? You can't see or feel anything. How would you even know that you have a body?

Now imagine that you could not hear, taste or smell anything on top of already being blind and incapable of feeling. Would there be any way of perceiving anything? Would you know whether you're alive or dead? Are you even alive now?

If you're not any of these sensations, not a person, not visible, not even something that can accurately be conceptualized,  yet your existence is self-evident, then what are you?

Yes I'm aware that Leo already addressed much of this but I'm just going into more detail with it.

Going even further, there is no way for you to know that any other "beings" exist. You're the creator of everything/the center of the universe. There's no way of knowing that there's anyone else like you because you created EVERYTHING. You cannot be perceived nor can you perceive anything. There isn't anything to be perceived to begin with. 

 

So this basically saying that nothing doesnt need anything to be aware - making it conciousness aka that which is aware of itself. So this makes the bottom line not nothing, but conciousness therefore everything is consciousness proved? That's radically good result! Let's dance