What value I can offer as men to women?

[Javfly33]

I read Leo's post in this sub forum lately a lot of times he said "You need to offer value to women", "this is a market place of sexual value"...etc.

But what is sexual value??

I have a normal low paying job so I can't offer them money or social status.

So I can't offer them much material stuff tbh. I am working on a life purpose which will make me more money and status but that can take years, maybe it won't even work.

So what is left? What aspects or traits I can offer to women which they will be interested in trading them with sex, company and affect with me? 

This next years I want to totally burn and master approaching, dating, and attracting women. So I want to know Cristal clear what women want so I can be very focused in working on it to offer it to them.

Let's go!

[Gesundheit]

@Javfly33 There's no sexual value unless there's a market. Market means a social circle that you constantly hang around. When there's no market, it's called interest level. Although, the interest level concept still remains within markets. 

With each one girl, you will be perceived differently. Each girl has different values. The more your characteristics align with her values, the higher interest levels she will have for you. If a girl highly values tall muscular men, and you are one, she will have high interest in you regardless of all your other characteristics. But if you're short or lean, no matter how much money or status or charisma or anything else you have, she won't have interest in you. She might sleep with you for the money or whatever, but she won't find you sexy.

But in reality, it's not that simple, because most women don't just value one or two things. Most women value a bunch of characteristics that unless you meet quite some of them, you won't be interesting to them. So, ideally, work on raising your values in all possible directions. Be fit, kinda muscular, charismatic, confident, develop status, etc... Learn everything you can. Develop yourself to the best of your capabilities. Then you will have higher chances of matching up with the girls you find the hottest.

Edited February 25, 2021 by Gesundheit

[At awe]

@Javfly33 What if You are just genuinely pleasant person to be with? Good listener with sense of humor, kind etc. Your “aura/presence “ will draw all kinds of persons towards You, they can’t help it. Then You choose... 

[Preety_India]

It can mean anything from sexual to social to financial to emotional to physical. 

Value = whole package. 

Girls sexual value = looks, attractiveness, feminine nature, elegance, grace, education, smartness, intelligence, amiability, fertility,sexiness  reproductive ability, character, decency, fitness, hobbies, work, passion, nature, temperament. 

 

Guy's sexual value = social status, intelligence, skills, looks, height, personality, passion, work, character, entertaining, humor, romantic nature, masculinity, education, skills in bed, fitness, temperament, ability to impress, fatherhood skills, "boyfriend material" 

 

Edited February 25, 2021 by Preety_India

[Javfly33]

22 minutes ago, At awe said:

@Javfly33 What if You are just genuinely pleasant person to be with? Good listener with sense of humor, kind etc. Your “aura/presence “ will draw all kinds of persons towards You, they can’t help it. Then You choose... 

ahaha Cute. But that's not the real world 

 

21 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

skills in bed

 

Oh but she can't know that until we are in bed ?

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

ahaha Cute. But that's not the real world 

 

Oh but she can't know that until we are in bed ?

Well you can boast about it if you are good in bed. It's a part of the resume. Of course, much like anything else, she will find it out later to be true or false. 

But some people exceptionally brag about it especially Russians.. 

Ive seen many Russians brag about being good in bed. 

So there you go, if it's a medal, wear it. 

 

[At awe]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

ahaha Cute. But that's not the real world 

It could be Your world. What is necessary to catch a self-actualizing, “deep” woman for a meaningful relationship, with shared development etc?? I’m assuming that You are shooting for that, correct me if I’m wrong. What is really important??

[universe]

Ok, first let me preface this by saying that I only have rudimentary knowledge about what women want. They are still a mystery to me.

And second important thing before we start is that while it's understandable to want to create your best offer for the opposite sex, it's fundamental to not fall into the imagination that you need women or that you are not complete as you already are. So while understanding the following principles and making yourself more attractive is nice and dandy. Don't expect to gain something out of it. There is nothing to get or to win, you already have everything right now. You don't need anything.

From this understanding also comes the first thing women and men as well want. Authenticity. Don't bend over backwards to be liked by someone. Give them the gift of sharing your true self.

As a man you already are what a straight woman wants.

And while you enjoy feminine energy, women do enjoy masculine enegry.

This energy is naturally inside of you. If you are not in touch with it or are repressing it, do some exercises to reconnect with it.

Be present. This is the greatest gift you can give to a woman. Be with her. In the moment.

Have you ever heard a woman ask you "What are you thinking right now?". It's their way of saying they don't know where you are in the moment. As men we are used to be in our head. Come into your body, feel it. Ground yourself. And then notice everything that is happening. Notice her, the way she looks, what she feels.

Create space for you two. Women love to fill space, as men we create bubbles and a safe space where she can express herself freely.

Confidence and tension. Step into tension and become used to it. This is where your masculine energy is found. Don't be afraid to lead and be decisive.

Spark emotions and have fun. Women love to feel emotions, excited, happy, crying from laughter but also sad or angry. Everything goes. As long as it's not flatlining for too long.

This brings me to another point about communication in general. Women and men's baseline communication is completely upside down. Women communicate to express emotions. While men communicate to express information. You can leave your problem solving thinking at home when meeting women. Instead, when she talks about her problems just listen and relate with her. Be in your body, not in your head.

You are already complete.

❤️

[Javfly33]

10 hours ago, At awe said:

It could be Your world. What is necessary to catch a self-actualizing, “deep” woman for a meaningful relationship, with shared development etc?? I’m assuming that You are shooting for that, correct me if I’m wrong. What is really important??

I'm not looking for a relationship.

Rather, I'm looking to develop my masculine side to attract women. 

My whole life is dominated by fear, low self confidence and worth (if you believe this concepts I guess).

I want to become a man of projection, self value, confidence, I want to conquer, love and lead .

Right now I am a sheep. Even my porn tastes are of a beta male.

I need to change this 180°.

A relationship would just stagnate me.

Not that I could get a relationship.with a high value women anyway. A high value woman will see that I am a beta so she will just friendzone me.

[nistake]

Having a fulfilling and well-organized life all around. Spiritually, emotionally and yeah, even financially. Of course, this is a lot easier said than done, but you're in the right place. 

Being together with a self-actualized person is a the highest value in and of itself.

[bejapuskas]

16 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

So what is left? What aspects or traits I can offer to women which they will be interested in trading them with sex, company and affect with me?

@Javfly33  You talk as if women did not want these things. That's delusional. What is this masculinity you're talking about? Do you think relationships make it harder to love and lead?

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, bejapuskas said:

@Javfly33  You talk as if women did not want these things. That's delusional. What is this masculinity you're talking about? Do you think relationships make it harder to love and lead?

12 hours ago, At awe said:

 

I guess they do too. But seems that as a man I must offer them more than just that.

I don't understand the second question though

[Heaven]

Be connected to your core is super important to attract women.(What people here call enlightenment)

It will transcend neediness, confidence problems, seriousness and too many more limited beliefs..

Humor is highly important and it’s a skill that can be developed.(The more you practice, the better you get).

Learn attraction and watch some successful people in dating. Mine lately is Honest signalz(in YouTube).

 

Hope it helps..

 

 

[At awe]

@universe Very well put!! ❤️

[SamC]

The counteruntuituve move is to aks the opposite question

[Preety_India]

Just now, SamC said:

The counteruntuituve move is to aks the opposite question

And the best move is to ask both questions.  Winks. 

[SamC]

43 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

And the best move is to ask both questions.  Winks. 

@Preety_IndiaNah, the best move is to read your journals

Edited February 26, 2021 by SamC

[RendHeaven]

I know that I offer a very rare emotional connection that most men are not willing to give.

So no matter how shitty my finances/status is, I know what I bring to the table.

The greatest gifts you can give are always non-material.

[Preety_India]

@RendHeaven you do rend heaven I guess haha. 

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Peter Miklis said:

Also, get rid of this mindset, it's toxic as fuck. There is no Alpha/beta. Just because you're addicted to watching this kind of porn, doesn't mean this defines you.

I agree. How can I stop defining me.

I use sometimes findom porn and I felt so bad when I finish. Feels like I am the lowest person on earth after I use it.

By some weird reason after a lot of self actualization, therapy, and psychedelics deep down I still feel this feeling of unpowerness. 

3 hours ago, SamC said:

The counteruntuituve move is to aks the opposite question

Yeah right haha