An Important Metric: The Prettier the Girl = The Dumber & Shallower the Guy Selected

[Hulia]

12 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Frenk . It's a cute picture of Leo though. 

 

really super cute - so feminine and tender, I´d like to stroke his blond hairs

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Hulia said:

really super cute - so feminine and tender, I´d like to stroke his blond hairs

He would definitely appreciate it very much.  

Just kidding Leo. 

 

[Preety_India]

28 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

Seriously though, saying that ALL young women go for shallow guys is massive generalization, carefull about that. You may turn down women who are not shallow just because they are young.

I believe this. 

Generalizations suck. I never thought I was going for a shallow guy. 

When we have such mindset that "all women are like this" i think we end up beating our own horse. 

 

 

[Jacobsrw]

4 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

@Jacobsrw to be honest I feel there is personal frustration with a subject rather than some truly impartial observations

It’s my disappointment in the culture of relationships, not my success in them. I don’t see many of them between ages 20-30 stemming from a genuine place. I am saddened by this state affairs more than I am in reaction to it. To see what drives the typical relationship in modern culture is far from inspiring, that is my point. If you are inspired by this that’s cool but personally I would say I am not, call that what you will. I am inspired to shift it into new realms opposed to sit by and watch it recede. Which my work in business and personal development I wish to do.

4 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

I wonder what's your personal story with women and how are you doing on that front? Can it be that you're just excusing away your own struggles with dating via these lines of reasoning? 

To be honest with you, I would deem myself fairly proficient in dating. My communication and conversational skills are great and I have confidence in my appearance and what I have to offer. Previously I have attracted good looking women and as such found the fair sum of them work by the metric I previously mentioned, go figure. For this reason and others, I lack interest in the world of dating. It seems to have an untenable toxicity within it, filled with excessive hedonism and materialism. I value intrinsic things in life that are far simpler such as art, nature, creativity, long term projects, reading and study. Yet I fail to see such interests very pronounced in the dating world. Hence, my disinterest in voyaging out into it. I’d rather socialise purposely and meet people in places i am more likely to hang with opposed any woman I simply find attractive on the street. That’s not to say every person fits into this category but it seems to be quite consistent and common.

Edited February 24, 2021 by Jacobsrw

[Jacobsrw]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Billionaires pull shallow women? Says who? Billionaires are pulling whoever they want, basically, and I tend to see them with quality women.

Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos -- they aren't exactly dating bimbo supermodels or pornstars. They find wife-material ladies with some depth.

But basically, when you are a billionaire, you have enough value and leverage to find a woman optimized in all dimensions you care about.

Power and status are the ultimate game. If you want quality women, don't go to the club, become a multi-millionaire somebody and women will come to you. The wise hunter does not stalk rabbits one-by-one in the freezing cold, he lays a trap and rests easy by the cozy fire back home.

That maybe true but you seem to forgetting that these women make up a very small proportion of those who end up with millionaires and billionaires. A far sum of millionaires date models and public figures those of whom they also deem successful. If you assume success is the metric of a decent woman or that of what you attract I argue that would be a poor criterion for analysis. Plenty of simple living people are far deserving of relationships that do not receive them. Must they accumulate ridiculous success and wealth?

I argue that the metrics by which dictate a pretty woman’s attraction to a man is generally shallow. That is my main argument. You seem to picking out anomalies to dismiss this.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Jacobsrw said:

Must they accumulate ridiculous success and wealth?

Nope

But if you expect high sexual value while offering none in return, guess what that makes you? A leech. And leeches tend to get killed.

The more sexual value you want, the harder you're gonna have to work for it. If you are too lazy to work hard, then settle for way less.

Sex is not some carebear child's game. It's a sexual marketplace where the stakes are life and death. When you deny this reality, you get bad results and suffering.

[Jacobsrw]

2 hours ago, Peter Miklis said:

Seriously though, saying that ALL young women go for shallow guys is massive generalization, carefull about that. You may turn down women who are not shallow just because they are young.

That was never stated in this thread. The argument was stated as a probabilistic statistic that seems more common than not. I would not deem it entirely true, which I previously stated, there are anomalies. But to the main point, which was that this particular trend is pervasive in society that's the main area of concern. 

One must be careful not to deem all earth on which they walk upon rich in gold after finding just one nugget.

Edited February 24, 2021 by Jacobsrw

[Hello from Russia]

@Jacobsrw I see. No, I actually feel in a similar way as you do, actually, about current stance of society. I sort of made a vow with myself that I won't date a stage orange girl for any meaningful amount of time no more. So in a sense, I share your frustration a lot.

I'm just disagreeing that billionaires have the same standards as the rest of a society. These guys are actually way more smarter than that from what I found. And they prefer more smart and wise women too as partners. 

I also found there are actually plenty of nice, deep women out there, quite a lot of them. In a sense it's our scarcity mindset that is stopping us from seeing them, but they are there! Just need to switch a lens.

Edited February 24, 2021 by Hello from Russia

[Jacobsrw]

15 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

@Jacobsrw I see. No, I actually feel in a similar way as you do, actually, about current stance of society. I sort of made a vow with myself that I won't date a stage orange girl for any meaningful amount of time. So in a sense, I share your frustration a lot.

Yeah I feel you. Its disappointing right because many of these women have immense potential but settle for the superficial values fed to them by mainstream culture. Right now I'm focusing on my business and career and if a genuine relationships transpires from my social interactions so be it but I wont be seeking for it that's for sure haha. Hope that area of life is going well for you equally.

15 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

I'm just disagreeing that billionaires have the same standards as the rest of a society. These guys are actually way more smart than that from what I found. And they prefer more smart and wise women too as partners. 

I found there are actually plenty of nice, deep women out there, quite a lot of them. In a sense it's our scarcity mindset that is stopping us from seeing them, but they are there!

No I am not completely doubting that. But there's a massive difference between Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos's, Bill Gates and the head chairman of Mc Donald's or Wall street. This distinction must be drawn. Elon Musk cares more about the development of human society than he does an attractive woman id say. However, wall street brokers are often materialistic and shallow in what they value which seems to attract them women who enjoy the superficialities of success opposed to human connection. These women, in particular are stereotypically supermodels. Ps. Just as aside not I do not often find super models attractive, they seem too fabricated personally.

Agreed, there are plenty of decent women out there but they aren't as pronounced nor visible in the most common areas one could find them. The woman one would seek on a forum such as this would not be hanging on tinder or at a club I suspect, from my observations that is.

Edited February 24, 2021 by Jacobsrw

[Jacobsrw]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nope

But if you expect high sexual value an offer none in return, guess what that makes you? A leech. And leeches tend to get killed.

True. But what do you have to say about the hard working small business owner or conventional civilian who earns their share? Should they not deserve the same opportunity? Rarely do they receive it.

Edited February 24, 2021 by Jacobsrw

[Hello from Russia]

1 hour ago, Jacobsrw said:

Yeah I feel you. Its disappointing right because many of these women have immense potential but settle for the superficial values fed to them by mainstream culture. Right now I'm focusing on my business and career and if a genuine relationships transpires from my social interactions so be it but I wont be seeking for it that's for sure haha. Hope that area of life is going well for you equally.

No I am not completely doubting that. But there's a massive difference between Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos's, Bill Gates and the head chairman of Mc Donald's or Wall street. This distinction must be drawn. Elon Musk cares more about the development of human society than he does an attractive woman id say. However, wall street brokers are often materialistic and shallow in what they value which seems to attract them women who enjoy the superficialities of success opposed to human connection.

Agreed, there are plenty of decent women out there but they aren't as pronounced nor visible in the most common areas one could find them. The woman one would seek on a forum such as this would not be hanging on tinder or at a club I suspect, from my observations that is.

Well, yeah. But in a sense Mcdonalds is one of the most evil and devilish companies there is, so it makes sense

Just like at this guy (He is a CEO), I don't doubt your words here. 

But there are a lot of less devilish companies than that and I think their CEO's have decent families more or less

I personally got lucky to experience higher consciousness relationship and I kinda created it myself. It's all worth it, man. The work pays off and the business stuff helps immensely as well. Just need to stay away from stage orange girls as they are a huge trap

Edited February 24, 2021 by Hello from Russia

[knakoo]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Power and status are the ultimate game. If you want quality women, don't go to the club, become a multi-millionaire somebody and women will come to you. The wise hunter does not stalk rabbits one-by-one in the freezing cold, he lays a trap and rests easy by the cozy fire back home.

I remember an interview in the David Deangelo interview series, about a multi millionaire who was hopeless with women until he learned game. A man can have power and status in life but feel week and unconfident with women. It's not a magic bullet.

But if you are a well known billionaire then yes maybe you have enough value that the rest doesn't matter much. But becoming a billionaire is not a great dating strategy !

[Preety_India]

Guys complain how pretty women want men with power. But they don't see how they reject average girls for those same pretty women. 

So guy complains that average guy doesn't have a chance but doesn't see a problem with average girls not even considered worth looking at. They think that women reject when they approach the best looking women. But in approaching these women, they have already rejected millions of average women, meanwhile being average men themselves, the irony. 

So the ironic conclusion of such a mindset is - 

A man who is average but wants the best looking woman is completely right. He should always want the best no matter how he is. 

But a woman who is actually better looking wanting a better above average guy is absolutely not okay. She must settle for an average man because she owes him. 

If you are an average guy, your fate should be the same as the fate of an average girl. Why should you be privileged? 

Both sexes are dealt the same hand. 

If I am an average girl I'm supposed to be with an average guy. I don't approach and I won't approach millionaires and billionaires. Because I'm not in their league. 

But some men want to fit themselves in the league of women who deserve to be with high earning men. 

Not able to deal with your own league is the inability to accept the reality of who you are. 

I accept who I am and I don't complain about being an average girl. 

I'm not sitting here crying why Brad Pitt isn't dating me but dating some hot model. 

It's about accepting realities and loving yourself for who you are and not leeching others value when they are out of the league. 

I wouldn't want a millionaire to be happy with me if he can be happy with a much better woman and of course he would deserve it. 

I should be happy with the guy I'm able to get for myself rather than rationalizing why I should get Brad Pitt to be my husband. 

This is like Kanye West wanting Kim Kardashian. Of course he got divorced now. That's what happens when a woman marries a man below her worth. 

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Preety_India

[Leo Gura]

52 minutes ago, Jacobsrw said:

True. But what do you have to say about the hard working small business owner or conventional civilian who earns their share? Should they not deserve the same opportunity? Rarely do they receive it.

No one deserves anything.

You will get whatever you work and fight for. And even then, you might get a bullet to the head or brain cancer.

Welcome to life.

No one deserves hot girls, and most people will not get them by definition -- because of how you define hotness.

[Dany Balan]

@Preety_India Your take on this matter is awesome!If i had a daughter,i would not let her marry a loser,i would want her to marry a man that will give her the best life possible!

[Preety_India]

@Dany Balan to get a man who gives me the best life possible, I should also be a deserving wife! 

I should also work hard to be a good wife. 

If I'm partying all day long, being lazy, insults him, spends his credit card and empties his account, cheats on him, gives him stress, nags him all day, does not show an iota of elegance or grace, gets manipulative with him, lies to him, acts like a low trashy woman, gives him distress instead of happiness, then I'm no different from a guy who is a loser. 

I'm basically being a loser wife wanting a great guy to coddle me. 

That's not how things work. 

Both have to be good to make things work. 

I can't act like a sinner and want a saint to be my husband. 

If I want a saint to be my husband, I should also be a goddess to him so he is happy with me. 

It's called real equality. 

Otherwise I would be just a leech. 

Men who don't respect their loving partners are losers and women don't respect their partners are losers as well 

Both are in the same bucket. 

There is a saying in Hinduism. If you want Krishna then you should be like Radha. 

If I want a gentleman, I should be a Lady. 

Krishna is with Radha because Radha equally deserves his greatness. 

That's Krishna with Radha 

 

[Lyubov]

This is some confirmation bias if I have ever seen some before

[Dany Balan]

@Preety_India Spot on! Tottaly agree!

[Preety_India]

4 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

How was he below her worth though, Kanye is pretty wealthy and high status man?

He is below her in terms of character. I'm not implying she is great character. But she was faithful to him, played the role of a good wife, tolerated his bipolar outbursts patiently, wanted to give him help and support and was with him all the time. Gave him children. I mean whatever a good wife could do, she already did 

He on the other hand, cheated on her, admitted to cheating in his video, told her to abort their first child, pressured her to abort, embarrassed her in Public with his bipolar episodes, refused to get help, insulted her mother and family, insulted her on social media, 

And lastly told the whole world how he didn't want his first child to be born, knowing that his daughter will find that out when she grows up. What kind of a dad and husband puts his entire family through such trauma and distress, acting like a narcissist entitled man child. 

So she gave up obviously and filed for divorce. Good job. He needs to learn his lesson. 

He acted like a typical abusive asshole throughout the marriage and she was always forgiving him and his mistakes. 

His success doesn't matter. A woman doesn't deserve to be with a disrespectful dude just because he is successful. He can't mistreat his wife. 

So yes he is a loser in the sense of character and not worthy of her love and good grace. 

 

[Striving for more]

1. Well done for making a futile thread about a stereotype with no evidence, based on your biased worldview, probably driven by a sense of bitterness 

2. Why the fuck do you care? 

... Let me elaborate. You care because you feel hopeless like you believe pretty girls only go with shallow dumb guys. 

Do you realise how many women exist bro ? 

... There's Hundreds of millions of hot women or whatever a lot .. 

so there's a wide variance of personality types & standards across these women. 

So chill out & stop making foolish generalizations & enjoy your life. Go fuck some hot women that value intelligence. Remember >  there's hundreds of millions of hot women. You''ll find all types. 

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Striving for more