Once 100% Godhead, why would one come back to life again?

[AdamR95]

12 minutes ago, Seeker531 said:

@AdamR95

Okay. Then why the worry? maybe you can deal with this situation by letting go. The mind always invents things to do. In such situations I'd try to be mindful, then it's recognised that's just conditioned thoughts and it feels unpleasent because its just how this thought feels and you don't have to be afraif of it. you created it so to speak and If you dont believe it and turn away your attention the thought disappears, no more problem. Maybe you could try to deal it this way too and make it an exercise? 

I know at first it's not that easy but how else do you want te get peace? 

If there is infinite chain of incarnation then it is lost game in the first place but i do not obsess about it constantly only sometimes it just come up in my mind. I am just trying to accept suffering as much as i can and love it to death. I cant change reality anyways.

Edited February 22, 2021 by AdamR95

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Gustav said:

When I read things like this it feels like it gets shoved down my throat.

What does this even mean? I did not choose to be born.

What is the point for "some comsic intelligence" to create a human who is doomed to suffer and cannot escape even throguh suicide since one will be reincarnated as some miserable soul.

When you say stuff like this it makes the universe seem incredible dark and cruel, like there is only hell for eternity in all directions.

I simply mean, you enjoy life and you enjoy this dream.

I'm not saying anything cruel.

[Nahm]

On 2/21/2021 at 5:49 PM, Sempiternity said:

Once one becomes 100% Godhead, after say taking a high dose of a psychedelic, the dream/illusion is gone, your life if gone, the universe converges into a pure abstract singularity of consciousness, formless infinite singularity, there is no more life, no more death, no more world, no more people or other beings, you are absolute oneness and love forever for eternity.

In this state, how would you know to come back to your life? That life is completely gone. Once in absolute oneness for eternity, wouldn't that be it, absolute oneness and love for eternity? So how do you come back? 

That is this. It’s already the actuality, the Good News. As above so below. Might have a belief or two, some misinterpretation, misunderstanding, and or misidentification at play. 

[blackchair]

responsability. there are people out there.

[Phyllis Wagner]

If people are 100% god conscious and blasted into outer space (like on DMT), and then the psychedelic stops working and they come back - what exactly is happening there? As I understand there is nothing but god at this level, but there must some part of god within the dream doing the "calculations" with all the neurons so the psychedelic gets flushed out. How can this happen simultaneously? 

[GreenWoods]

1 hour ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

If people are 100% god conscious and blasted into outer space (like on DMT), and then the psychedelic stops working and they come back - what exactly is happening there? As I understand there is nothing but god at this level, but there must some part of god within the dream doing the "calculations" with all the neurons so the psychedelic gets flushed out. How can this happen simultaneously? 

"Neurons", " psychedelic", "flushed out" .

During such a trip there is no more world. The dream has ended. You could say it's a temporary mahasamadhi.

The return is not due to a psychedelic that stops working. That's just a story you create/imagine afterwards to explain what has happened.

You return simply because God imagines it that way. There is no cause and effect. You never tripped because of a psychedelic. That's all God's imagination!

You can use the relative perspective to try to make sense of the world. But ultimately, this is not how it works. God doesn't care about relative explanations. God imagines whatever the fuck he wants. Right now creation matches with how you imagine a relative world works. But you are lucky there. God could any moment imagine/create something different that is totally contradictory to relative explanations, because relative factors never caused anything, you just assumed that. God could at any moment start imagining that you starve when eating, and that you get fat when you don't eat. 

You have no fucking clue what's about to happen. But you have a false sense of security, based on an imagined past. 

Edited February 23, 2021 by GreenWoods

[The Buddha]

@The0Self Yes but the thing is: as this goes on for infinity, on higher realms and higher dimensions, then it is imposible to reach, u are never more close or more far, therefore godhead can be realized here and now.

[Phyllis Wagner]

1 hour ago, GreenWoods said:

The return is not due to a psychedelic that stops working. That's just a story you create/imagine afterwards to explain what has happened.You return simply because God imagines it that way.

If you=god at this level you would have to consciously imagine getting back into reality. But why do people report getting sucked out their DMT trip then. They even say during the trip they forget they even have normal life, so how would they recreate their reality consciously? It's obviously happening against their will.

[GreenWoods]

@Phyllis Wagner In my post I made the point that the return doesn't happen due to a psychedelic being flushed out (or any other relative factor) but due to God imagining the dream again. How exactly that happens, I don't know. I never had an awakening where the dream literally completely ended. 

49 minutes ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

. But why do people report getting sucked out their DMT trip then. 

When the dream is about to be imagined again, there is no feeling of being sucked out, because there isn't a seperate self yet. If it feels that way, you didn't completely die. Only once the dream is reborn/restarted does the sensation arise.  After God 'decided' to imagine the dream. So this unintentional returining (from the ego's pov) doesn't contradict that you were the Godhead during the peak.

49 minutes ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

 They even say during the trip they forget they even have normal life, so how would they recreate their reality consciously? It's obviously happening against their will.

Yes, unless you completely forget everything, complete amnesia, it's not 100% Godhead. 

what do you mean with "how they create" and "against their will"? There is no more seperate self, and probably also no more finite mind or thoughts. Only God. So it doesn't go against anyone's will.

How does God start the dream again ? Can it be compared to a conscious choice the way we think of a conscious choice? Or is it simply a spontaneous passive birthing? Maybe it would need an extremely deep awakening in order to experience the rebirth as a concious act. I don't know.

(btw I also don't think that there is an issue to make the dream continue where it ended. Because it never ended. There never was a dream before, no past. God creates a Now, which contains memories of an imaginary past. Every Now is created that way.)

Several people in this thread have 'experienced' the complete end and rebirth of the dream. Perhaps they know the answer 

Edited February 23, 2021 by GreenWoods

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

If you=god at this level you would have to consciously imagine getting back into reality. But why do people report getting sucked out their DMT trip then. They even say during the trip they forget they even have normal life, so how would they recreate their reality consciously? It's obviously happening against their will.

People are an appearance of consciousness. Consciousness is not something people possess or have. That is the materialist paradigm, thought attachment, the illusion of the separate self, misidentification...subject which has the object “consciousness”...separate of infinite consciousness. Inspect direct experience, you’ll find no separations at all. 

[zeroISinfinity]

46 minutes ago, Nahm said:

People are an appearance of consciousness. Consciousness is not something people possess or have. That is the materialist paradigm, thought attachment, the illusion of the separate self, misidentification...subject which has the object “consciousness”...separate of infinite consciousness. Inspect direct experience, you’ll find no separations at all. 

Yeah it's all true, well and fine but..... 

What about pornstars? 

[allislove]

On 2/22/2021 at 0:49 AM, Sempiternity said:

Once 100% Godhead, why would one come back to life again?

Questions to contemplate:

'Once'                    • could you see past or future? Is time real or it's just a belief?
'100% Godhead'  • could you see 10% Godhead, 50% Godhead, etc? Are levels real or it's just a belief?
'why'                      • is cause&effect real or it's just a belief? 
'one'                      • could you find a solid boundaries between 'body' and direct experience? Is there a separate entity or it's just a belief?
'come back'          • is changing appearance proves that there is 'here' and 'there' or it's just a belief?
'life'                        • is life separated from you or it's just a belief?
'again'                    • see the first questions

Not Two. ?

[zeroISinfinity]

Nah Jed didn't spilled coffee from his mouth. 

Well atleast I tried, better luck next time. 

[Phyllis Wagner]

4 hours ago, allislove said:

Questions to contemplate:

'Once'                    • could you see past or future? Is time real or it's just a belief?
'100% Godhead'  • could you see 10% Godhead, 50% Godhead, etc? Are levels real or it's just a belief?
'why'                      • is cause&effect real or it's just a belief? 
'one'                      • could you find a solid boundaries between 'body' and direct experience? Is there a separate entity or it's just a belief?
'come back'          • is changing appearance proves that there is 'here' and 'there' or it's just a belief?
'life'                        • is life separated from you or it's just a belief?
'again'                    • see the first questions

Not Two. ?

I get all of this, I just wanted to phrase it in clear language.

Then let me phrase it this why.

What mechanism causes the field of experience to modulate into what a human would call an ordinary state consciousness ? 

[zeroISinfinity]

Well I recently came out with few ideas. 

It is worthy of possible ban. 

Edited February 23, 2021 by zeroISinfinity

[The0Self]

9 hours ago, The Buddha said:

@The0Self Yes but the thing is: as this goes on for infinity, on higher realms and higher dimensions, then it is imposible to reach, u are never more close or more far, therefore godhead can be realized here and now.

Absolutely agree. The levels are there though, and they do go on forever. That imo is more amazing than enlightenment itself -- which is arguably simply transcendence of the current level, and the realization of I AM... in the sense of unrealizing: I AM X.

Edited February 23, 2021 by The0Self

[allislove]

3 hours ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

I get all of this, I just wanted to phrase it in clear language.

Then let me phrase it this why.

What mechanism causes the field of experience to modulate into what a human would call an ordinary state consciousness ? 

Investigate the nature of "I" that claims that understand this. Are there any spiritual practices you are already doing?

[Phyllis Wagner]

8 hours ago, allislove said:

Investigate the nature of "I" that claims that understand this. Are there any spiritual practices you are already doing?

Don't go Rupert Spira on me. Yes I do spiritual practices.

If you can't answer the question or if the question doesn't make sense just say so. 

Hate the dismissing of every question in this forum by simply saying "who is the I that want to know?" and feeling so clever about that answer.  

[allislove]

To hate yourself is a madness. How to be sane? To love everything. To love everyone is to not hate anyone.

It is that simple, godspeed, @Phyllis Wagner ?

[Gustav]

On 2021-02-22 at 11:36 PM, Leo Gura said:

I simply mean, you enjoy life and you enjoy this dream.

I'm not saying anything cruel.

I still don't get it. If I live a life of suffering, how does that make someone want to stay in a dream because one enjoys it?

To me this suggests that waking up would be worse. Otherwise all this talk about enjoying dreams makes no sense.

Please help me understand..!!! I'm existentially confused and scared..... I don't know what to believe anymore, and I don't want to make any decision about anything, just be all over with it.